The WHite Weenie!!!!

Beyond Dominia: Casual and Beginner's Advice Mill: The WHite Weenie!!!!

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By Martin on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 04:56 pm:

Iv'e really just started playing White Weenie and Ineed some help with a sideboard and probably the maindeck too.

4x Crusade
4x Glorious Anthem
4x White Knight
4x Longbow Archer
4x Soltari Priest
4x Soltari Monk
4x Mother of Runes
4x Serra Zealot
4x Armageddon
4x Tundra Wolves
1x Kjeldoran Outpost
19 Plains


By Moogleknight on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 05:00 pm:

The most glaringly obvious cards that are missing here are:

savannah lions
disenchant/seal of cleansing
Swords to plowshares


By Puschkin, Defiant Vanguard Against (Puschkin) on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 05:10 pm:

Also 4 Crusade plus 4 Glorious Anthem seekms like overkill to me, 4 Shadowdudes is about 2 too much (could get problems with blocking, especially without Plowshare)) and Kjeldoran Outpost is quite pointless while throwing around with four Geddons.


By Puschkin, Defiant Vanguard Against (Puschkin) on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 05:11 pm:

Sorry, should read: "8 shadow dudes are about 2 too much" not "4", duh.


By Rebel428 on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 05:16 pm:

Read the White Weenie primer. There is almost nothing I can think of that isn't there. Just for kicks, here's what I run. The reasoning for everything is in the primer.

4 Savannah Lions
4 Mother of Runes
4 Soltari Priest
4 White Knight
3 Paladin en-Vec

4 Empyrial Armor
4 Land Tax
3 Scroll Rack
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Disenchant
1 Seal of Cleansing
1 Zuran Orb
1 Balance
1 Enlightened Tutor

19 Plains


By Martin on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 11:45 pm:

How does this sound?

4x Crusade
4x Savannah Lion
4x Soltari priest
4x Glorious Anthem
4x White Knight
4x Longbow Archer
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Tundra Wolves
2x Armageddon
4x Mother of Runes
4x Disenchant
18 Plains

Anysideboards?


By Arkadi Svidrigailov (Arkadi) on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 12:05 pm:

Tundra Wolves aren't played any more. They're solid, yes, but you'll find better options in the creatures already mentioned by other people.
And 4 crusades and 4 glorious anthems is just too much. You should only run 4 crusades at most.


By paladin_en_ass on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 12:31 pm:

lions suck. they suck and they will suck
stupid rares they should have never been printed
sucky sucky sucky rares

anyway - thats my contempt out

actually they are quite good 2/1 for W!!!
but i prefer the icathian javeliners from Fallen Empires. they are comparable to mog fanatics and sometimes that extra direct damage is GREATELY appreciated, whether it is to kill a pesky creature or to deliver the last-normally-unreachable damage to the player


By paladin_en_ass on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 12:53 pm:

rebel you are not running WW, but a suboptimal parfait. either stick to overruning creatures or enchantments/artifacts
what would you play first turn a lion or a tax?
second turn a rack or a priest?

2 armageddons dont do
either you make your deck to run 4 or you dont run any and play parfait
zuran orb boys-zuran orb
disenchants are not really needed
WW should be a deck which uses all its mana in its turn ...the instant advantage of the disenchant is lost
if you feel like running an instant i can suggest an Abolish but otherwise 3 Seals is optimal

forget about the racks ( 1 or 2 land tax is ok - to get your lands for geddon )
sideboards?
NULL ROD!! 4 of em
not to say a few Serenity
if 4 swords are not enough for the creatures try SBing a few Wrath of God , after all your deck should be mostly small creatures and you will be able to recover fast
if you are super scared of utility creatures, morphling, masticore and co. then Cursed Totem would be my suggestion.
against red/black try a few story circles. also it does wonders vs blue. If you want to be REALLY brutal then Conversion and Light of Day / Karma take care of the opposing colors.

if your buddies run animation Tormod's Crypt seals their doom.

Sideboard really depends on your metagame, what others in your company play ( and beat you with )


By Martin on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 03:16 pm:

Paladin, the guys I play aginst play sligh and fish decks , but I always kick their ass. My other friend also plays white weenie, This is actually my first white weenie deck. Paladin, I have to say your sideboard ideas are good, I just don't know about getting rid of Glorious Anthems, I kinda like them. As to the Geddons', I have no clue what to replace them with, maybe a couple of creatures for the late late game.


By Rebel428 on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 02:50 pm:

"rebel you are not running WW, but a suboptimal parfait. either stick to overruning creatures or enchantments/artifacts
what would you play first turn a lion or a tax?
second turn a rack or a priest?"

Think about what you are talking about please. Did you happen to forget that turn 1 tax, turn 2 priest, turn 3 armor could attack for 11 (9 cards in hand, 2 power priest)? Also, the point of Tax/Rack is longevity. If they manage to Keg or Balance or Wrath or some other nasty board sweeper, Tax/Rack combo is your ticket to recovery.

Parfait and the WW I posted are *COMPLETELY* different decks. Parfait runs 0 creatures, and relies on silver bullets. The WW I posted is an aggro deck, using Tax/Rack as a white Necro.

"but i prefer the icathian javeliners from Fallen Empires. they are comparable to mog fanatics and sometimes that extra direct damage is GREATELY appreciated, whether it is to kill a pesky creature or to deliver the last-normally-unreachable damage to the player"

Except the Fanatic doesn't worry about summoning sickness, which can make a world of a difference.


Martin, listen to me. Empyrial Armor is FAR better than Crusade/Anthem. Using Crusade/Anthem forces you to overextend, giving your opponents huge card advantage with a Balance/Wrath/etc. And if you don't overextend, the bonuses from Crusade/Anthem are marginal. You also gain more speed playing a second turn Knight than a Crusade.

As for the sideboard, it depends on the metagame. I'll list some good choices.

Story Circle
Defense Grid
Warmth
Light of Day
Orim's Chant
Abeyance
Null Rod

"I just don't know about getting rid of Glorious Anthems, I kinda like them. As to the Geddons', I have no clue what to replace them with, maybe a couple of creatures for the late late game."

Ger rid of them, for reasons stated above. Cut the Geddons for more creatures and the Tax/Rack combo, as stated above.

Again, READ THE PRIMER, IT IS THERE FOR A REASON.

paladin en ass, you are a moron. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Go away.


By Puschkin, Defiant Vanguard Against (Puschkin) on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 12:36 pm:

Your attack on him isn´t appropriate either. I mean, he did not talk complete BS or something similar, and the question if Tax/Rack really helps WW or just remedies the troubles it gets into because of it´s own existance isn´t a solved issue yet. You have diferent meanings but they don´t differ enough to jusge either one of you a moron and if you both could stay calm, martin could probably benefit from both of you.


By Rebel428 on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 08:16 pm:

Puschkin: I didn't mean to say that the Tax/Rack was completely mandatory; sorry if it seemed that way. I still fail to see the reasoning in calling a deck with nearly 20 creatures a Parfait. Mr. Paladin didn't even try to explain himself, he just said "rebel you are not running WW, but a suboptimal parfait."


Martin, if you don't happen to like the Tax/Rack engine, then I suggest just replacing it with four Abeyance and three creatures. You could even use some lesser-used spell like Army of Allah.


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