Off-Topic: Daggerfall

Beyond Dominia: The Rumor Mill: Off-Topic: Daggerfall

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By Puschkin, Defiant Vanguard Against The Phyrexian Invasion (Puschkin) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 04:32 pm:

Is there anyone who has played this great game in the past or better yet, who is playing it currently? I just started playing and I have a endless stream of questions ...


By JP 'Polluted' Meyer, the Archivist (Jpmeyer) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 07:42 pm:

I played it a few years ago.


By Serra (Serra) on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:20 am:

i also played a few years ago, but didnt get too far...i kept starting over *like i usually do with CRPGs* to find the character I liked the best....I think I stopped on my way to the first real quest...some dungeon I think in the middle of nowhere...so I probably know nothing.


By Puschkin, Defiant Vanguard Against The Phyrexian Invasion (Puschkin) on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 06:38 am:

Hello, JP!
just of top of my head:
I never encounter any opponents while traveling, regardless if I travel cautiously or recklessly, and regardless of camping out or staying at taverns. Is this supposed to be? I am playing a "fixed" version and don´t know if they created new bugs. Some quests are too easy now like any sort of escorting or delivery. However, I DO encounter something if I camp manually.
I can see all dungeons, cities etc on my map from the beginning, is this also supposed to be? I thought that I have to hear of the dungeon beforehand.
If I leave and reenter a dungeon, all enemies and treasures have respawned. This is dumb. I can make so much money in smaller tombs that I don´t have to fulfill any quests.
How many guilds can I join? What have I to do in order to advance in the various guilds?
What is fatigue? Is that my stamina?

That´s it for now. Thanx in advance!


By a on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 08:47 am:

Daggerfall will always be one of my fave RPGs because it was so open-ended. Who cares about storyline when you're killing vampires? I've played many hours and started over many times and I still haven't gone very far into the plot. There are still active forums out there, esp. since TES 3: Morrowind will be out soon. this is one of the more active ones: http://www.elderscrolls.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true

Daggerfall is a very flawed game, but it still offers great RP freedom. You can only join one of each type of guild, ie one magic guild, one knight guild, one cleric guild, one fighter guild, etc. You get to see all cities and towns and some dungeons, mostly graveyards, but others have to found or told to you by some kid who hands you a map of a dungeon.


By Serra (Serra) on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 10:15 am:

i think my two favorite aspects of Daggerfall were it was one of the first RPGs to go the Doom route of moving around...and the weather (especially the fog). I did hear about a lot of crashing bugs, but it didn't happen to often to me, so I guess I was lucky.


By Krichaiushii, the Chaosbringer (Krichaiushii) on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 10:39 am:

I vaguely recall playing it years ago, but stopped when I went to Korea and the computer went to my parents' house...

I'll have to see if I can't run the game down - as I recall, I spent many hours happily killing things and discovering how it all works.

I recall a giant's house, in particular. All the furniture was huge. I never encountered an actual giant, though - which might be a good thing, all told.


By Elrohir (Elrohir) on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 11:06 am:

Daggerfall was by no means the first RPG to go the Doom route of moving around. I could easily go back to the Might and Magic series which had first person perspective. There is also the original Phantasy Star, which had first person perspective in dungeons. My fave is of course Ultima Underworld and its sequel which predate Daggerfall by a good several years and are the best implemented for that time. And of course we can't forget Arena, to which Daggerfall is a sequel. I've only mentioned a few games, I'm sure there are more. :)


By g.a.y on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:15 pm:

ooh look you droped you soap.

serra pick up soap.

I am fuckn serra
I am fuckn serra

it dropped soap.
(god It feels good)

Great annoying Yawgmoth (g.a.y)


By AARS on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 04:43 pm:

hey g.a.y.

YOUR DROPPED YOUR MORPHLING!!


By Dropper on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 04:52 pm:

Hey guys, I think we dropped the topic...


By Serra (Serra) on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 12:22 am:

elrohir, im talking about 360 degree movement, not grid movement, which I think Bard's Tale or Wizardy were the first to do.


By Elrohir (Elrohir) on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 12:37 am:

Yeah, probably those. I don't have experience with 'em. But I know for a fact that UW had virtually unrestricted 360 degree non-grid movement years before Daggerfall, since UW came out somewhere around 1990-1991, and Daggerfall was what, 1996 or 1997?


By Tracer Bullet, the DanDan Man (Tracer) on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 01:59 am:

I'm personally a fan of Betrayal at Krondor, a badass First Person RPG that came out in 1991-92? The only americanized RPG that I ever really got into for that matter, but hey, that's just me.


By JP 'Polluted' Meyer, the Archivist (Jpmeyer) on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 02:21 pm:


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I never encounter any opponents while traveling, regardless if I travel cautiously or recklessly, and regardless of camping out or staying at taverns.




I rarely got any encounters while traveling.


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Is this supposed to be? I am playing a "fixed" version and don´t know if they created new bugs.




I don't know what is the number of the most recent version, but I remember that version being (finally!) bug-free.


Quote:

Some quests are too easy now like any sort of escorting or delivery. However, I DO encounter something if I camp manually.




Those quests are easy. In those you usually just fight some bad guy at the end.


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I can see all dungeons, cities etc on my map from the beginning, is this also supposed to be? I thought that I have to hear of the dungeon beforehand.




You can't see all the dungeons. There are many that you need to learn about before you can go to them.


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How many guilds can I join? What have I to do in order to advance in the various guilds?




I believe you can join the Fighter's Guild, the Mage Guild, a temple, a Knightly Order (just show up to these,) the Thieves' Guild (get an invitation after stealing stuff,) and the Dark Brotherhood (kill something like a few civillians or like 10 guards.) You advance in guilds by increasing skills that the guild supports (weapons for the Fighter's Guild, schools of magic for the Mage's Guild, stealth for the Thieves' Guild, etc.) and by completing quests. I don't know the exact numbers and skills, but you should be able to find those online.


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What is fatigue? Is that my stamina?




Yes


Quote:

I'm personally a fan of Betrayal at Krondor, a badass First Person RPG that came out in 1991-92? The only americanized RPG that I ever really got into for that matter, but hey, that's just me.




BaK was my favorite RPG of all time until I found the Wasteland series. Now it's dropped down to #4. ;-)

I think that Elrohir is right that the first 3D FPS RPG where you weren't bound to a grid was Ultima Underworld. Serra is also correct that the first RPG to offer FPS was Wizardry, which came out in 1980, while The Bard's Tale wasn't until 1984. UW came out in I believe '92 while Daggerfall was '96. BaK was '93.

I know my computer game history like I know my Magic history. :)


By Puschkin, Defiant Vanguard Against The Phyrexian Invasion (Puschkin) on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 07:13 pm:

Thank you, JP. But one thing: I NEVER encounter anything while traveling and in escort missions there is even no villain at the end! Perhaps I haven´t played long enough yet.

Just for Nostalgic Reasons TM:
My personal Amiga/PC favourites are:
Empire, MAX (1), the Bard´s Tale series, Warlords2, Heroes of Might and Magic, Populous, Dark Legions, Battle Isle, Legend of Faerghail. I am sur that I forgot something important.


By a on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 09:11 pm:

Akalabeth (Ultima 0 to some) by Richard Garriott, a.k.a. Lord British, came out 1978 and had 3D dungeons.


By JP 'Polluted' Meyer, the Archivist (Jpmeyer) on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 11:54 pm:

Oops. Akalabeth was 3D.

Favorite PC Games:

#1 XCOM UFO Defense
#2 Master of Orion
#3 Wing Commander series
#4 Fallout 2
Heroes of Might and Magic Series
LucasArts adventure games (esp. Sam and Max Hit the Road!)
Gabriel Knight series
Quest For Glory series
DOOM


By Puschkin, Defiant Vanguard Against The Phyrexian Invasion (Puschkin) on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 05:59 am:

Yes, Xcom! And Jagged Alliances 2!


By Zherbus (Zherbus) on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 10:43 am:

- OLD Goldbox AD&D games and Eye of the Beholder series all rocked.

- DOOM (1&2)

- Thief (1&2)

- Icewind Dale (The music, artwork, and overall FEEL made this superior to the Baldurs gates)

- Return to Zork

- Monkey Islands, and full throttle are all fun.


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