Beyond Dominia: The Rumor Mill: Keeper?

By General Talon on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 05:42 pm:

I'm still a bit new to jargon, even though I've been playing for 3 years. As near as I can figure, Keeper is a deck. What kind of deck? Any information on it would be appreciated.

By Erik (Erik) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 05:59 pm:

if you look in the "what happened to keeper" thread you'll find that your question has already been answered :)

By Henge Wolf (Wolf) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 06:16 pm:

Not only that, but there are several primers related to the deck in the Type1 mill. The short-short answer is that it's a 5 color control deck that's been around in some form almost since the game began. It's full of old power, so it'd cost you around a grand (or more) to actually build it.


By random newbie on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 02:52 am:

What's OSE???

By Azhrei (Azhrei) on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 02:59 am:

Use the search function to find the Primer, or check out the T1 Mill.

By spevack on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 05:34 am:

Keeper is the current name for the Type 1 Five-Color Control deck, which basically runs all of the broken restricted cards, and a few others that tie everything together to make a very nice, and very strong package. Some T1 purists won't like that definition, but it's pretty good for one sentence. Like others said, if you want more info, then you can check the t1 mill.

Keeper is evolved from another deck, named "The Deck," which is, well, just that. It's a 5 color control deck that has been evolving for many years. Thus, Keeper is considered "old school" when it comes to Type 1 magic.

OSE is a deck created by Azhrei, who from his posting above, would rather curtly direct you to a primer rather than tell you what he did. OSE stands for "Old School Expulsion," because that deck was designed with the intention that it could both beat the Keeper, and also be one of the top Type 1 decks overall.

From personal experience, while I enjoy playing Keeper more, I find it very difficult to beat OSE when I play with Keeper. To Azhrei's credit, he built an excellent deck.

Hope that info helps you out a bit.

By TSPRT on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 09:48 am:

OSE was made to be a UB controllish deck consistent in mana base, (having swamps/islands) resilient enough to anti-non-basic land cards like dwarven miner/wasteland and back to basics.

Control deck without balance, regrowth, sylvan library and dismantling blow. In other words, it is kind of more suicidal.

By BeBe, the Redeemer (Bebe) on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 11:49 am:

OSE is a control deck. It is not at all suicidal. Read Azhrei's primer for OSE and Rakso's articles for Keeper.

By Azhrei (Azhrei) on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 11:53 am:

By General Talon on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 04:22 pm:

I know my question was already answered, but I didn't understand the answer. Spevack's answer made more sense. I'd like to try Keeper versus my Ultimate Destruction sometime.

By Rico Jones, Elfman Extraordinaire (Rico) on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 06:40 pm:

What is your Ultimate Destruction?


By Henge Wolf (Wolf) on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 09:33 pm:

Yeah Talon, you don't just drop a bomb like that without a little explanation. :)

At risk of sounding uneducated, are there any decks out there besides hate decks that beat keeper consistantly? I've heard OSE goes 50/50 and suicide black is basically anti-keeper. Anything else I missed?


By JP 'Polluted' Meyer, the Archivist (Jpmeyer) on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 11:38 pm:

OSE is Keeper without green and white.

By Jacob Orlove on Tuesday, February 12, 2002 - 07:50 pm:

No decklist "beats keeper consistently" right now. Only good players will beat keeper consistently. Even hate deck can lose to keeper (like in the recent $250 ti tourney at neutral ground :))
Basically, it's good enough that the skill of the players is MUCH more important then the decks in question (although some decks will just lose to keeper).

By Sylvesterian Beats (Sylvester) on Tuesday, February 12, 2002 - 08:26 pm:

Well, suicide black is pretty hard for control. Stompy and sligh can be metagamed to pretty incredible extremes against multi-coloured control too. Of course ultra-metagamed stompy/sligh are almost hate decks, so :/

By Henge Wolf (Wolf) on Tuesday, February 12, 2002 - 11:58 pm:

If that's true, that skill is well above and beyond the decks themselves, then there is no doubt in my mind that Type1 is the better format. WotC should really take a look at that . . . despite the fact they want to avoid discussing anything thats more than 6 sets old. A good game of magic is not the same as selling the most boosters, I know that much.


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