(WARNING: THE FOLLOWING THREAD WILL BE KILLED IF IT DEGENERATES INTO RANDOM, ARROGANT RANTING. THIS KIND OF BULL WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. THIS THREAD IS BEING SPARED IN THE NAME OF FUN, BUT IF IT STOPS BEING FUN...
AND THIS IS COMING FROM THE GUY WHO CREDITED LEGEND WITH THE ACC BLUE PORTION OF THE MONO BLUE PRIMER AFTER THE LATTER FLAMED THE ENTIRE MILL AND CALLED ME THE LEADER OF THE UNWASHED, ILLITERATE MASSES
--RAKSO)
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Let's face it, Edward A. Paltzik, also known as Legend, created Accelerated Blue in T1. When he and I arrived, the only mono blue decks around were those of the Draw-Go variant. Ed's amazing, streamlined deck that combines unbreakable control and an extremely fast clock has changed T1. If you don't believe me, ask Matt D'Avanzo, or perhaps even Mike Pustilnik, who has suffered his first loss to Edward just this sunday, as part of Ed's sweep through the metagame, while I was mired in the trivial concern of yet another T8 at the greatest magic store in the world. So everyone here, talks and masticates obvious knowledge, giving halfwits like parrot and Nuk credit for "thinking of a deck much like Legend blue". That is nothing. Germany thought of the A-Bomb at the same time as the US. Did that give them anything? No, because Berlin was sacked before it even came to that. Therefore, with the matter concluded behind us all, let's look back, and assign credit where it is due. All hail Legend. And the name is Legend Blue, not BBS.
if you can't beat a deck, maybe your skills, not the deck, are BS.
I would also like to clear something up: i am NOT Legend. We are two different people. Edward is mostly a T1 player. I am Yan Margolin, an accomplished player in both Limited and Constructed, known and respected at NG. That is something I want to bury and let rest from this forum. I will return tommorow to discuss the next issue: my friend, and completely innocent player Scott Kasliner who was unfortunetly given credit he didn't deserve, and probably didn't want.
"And the name is Legend Blue, not BBS."
This seems a little silly.
If he invented the deck, he should be very proud, of course, but it's not like you can trademark a nickname for a specific pile of cards, or physically force everyone to call it what you like. People are going to call it BBS if the name strikes their fancy, and I don't see anything, strictly speaking, that you can do about it.
Sorry.
It really doesn't matter who created the deck. And if you think it does, go start a fight elsewhere pertaining to who thought of the original concept of accelerating blue in any format. Heck, why not debate the origins and credits of acceleration in general. I'm sure Garfield would be glad to hear your praise.
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Yeah, well how come Azhrei gets to have his deck called "The Franchise?". Or how come JP gets to have his keeper deck called "Really Dark Keeper".
It should be a simple matter of respect. Look, all I am saying is, the issue is not that the deck was copied and then used. The issue is that people tried to shout down Legend in an attempt to steal the credit for taking type I in a new direction, in effect trying to make Legend Blue a "deck of BDominia" rather than a deck that was contributed by Legend with some of my advice as well. In fact, all this garbage of us leaving would never have happened if credit had simply been issued, and then the deck used by others after that acknowledgement.
Look, the evidence is simply overwhelming. Look at Mikephoen's T1TOC 1 winning deck. That was mono-blue in type I for all intents and purposes, until Legend reworked things. The timing cannot be a coincidence. For a time, it appeared as if credit would be given where credit was due, as Legend Blue was the commonly used name for a period. But then, with many of the top players feeling the threat of an outsider making an impact, the deck was slowly appropriated by BDominia, and Legend ostracized.
I find it telling that Legend was told the other day by someone at Neutral Ground that Scott Kasliner got the XL-U deck on "the Internet". Gee, I wonder what website he got it on?
It's just a game. Lighten up.
And I'll call anybody's deck anything I please. If I want to call Franchise "Doo Dooby Doo Wop Shamma Lamma Ding Dong" I damn well well, and Azhrei will just have to live with it! ;)
Negator...do we really have to do this again?
BBS is a control deck. It is Blue. It has counterspells. It has Board control. BBS is basically the same deck as it always has been. The cards are just better now.
Whispers of the Muse -> FoF
Rainbow Efreet -> Morphling
Nevinyrral's Disk -> Powder Keg
Jeez, what shocking and innovative card choices.
And no one was trying to steal credit. Legend flipped out because he wasn't the only one playing mono U in the ToC. He started accusing everyone of "copying him". Up until that point, I liked Legend. Even if I didn't agree with a lot of the things he was saying, it was always fun to read the statements he made with all of his bombast and arrogance.
And besides, BBS has made a few changes in the past few months. Main deck Masticores, fewer counters, etc. A lot of the people here ow weren't even around for this whole Legend business, and therefore associate Nuk and Acolytec and Parrot with originating the concept.
People will call the deck BBS for a few reasons. I think we all know what that stands for by now, it's quite funny. 90% of the players hate the damn deck. Plus, Legend was posting here for what, a couple months? It's been like 4-5 months since he stopped, and everyone's been calling it BBS since then. By now, it's like calling five color control Keeper. It's just what people associate with it.
And who is Scott Kasliner? I don't remember ever hearing anyone giving any sort of credit to hom for anything. But that is besides the point.
Calm down, take a deep breath, count to ten. It will all be OK.
The Maxx
P.S. Your analogy aout the Atom Bomb doesn't stand up here. Acolytec actually won the ToC, making HIM the equivalent of the U.S., not Legend.
P.P.S. I apologize for the incontinuity of my arguments, it's late, and I had trouble organizing the points in a logical sequence. :-P
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Acolytec and the TOC= non-sanctioned tournament
featuring a field of numerous atrocious decks. His win doesn't mean a thing outside of BD. Furthermore, it is really quite irrelevant that people associate Acolytec, Nuk, and Parrot with the deck. They owe the deck to Legend. He took the deck in a direction it would not have gone in otherwise. It is just amazing that Legend got screwed like this. You may hate him and myself, but that doesn't mean that we deserve this treatment. If Legend's innovations seem obvious to you now, why didn't you think of them? 4 Morphlings in the deck was nowhere to be found until then. Decks such as "OSE", "Parfait", and numerous others have been credited to their creators. Where did this whole situation go wrong? And Maxx, if you can't see why Legend was displeased with the child-like behaviour of Nuk and the other ingrates, you are missing the whole point. Why should Legend not ask for credit for his deck? Why should he be screwed?
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Let's put this in the clearest possible way:
Indisputable FACTS:
1. Legend was the FIRST to post about the 5-Mox, no Wasteland, 4 Morphling deck. If that is not a creative innovation I don't know what is. It was his idea, he was FIRST.
2. He PROMOTED the deck incessantly and with only the best intentions. He attached his name to the deck, and rightfully so.
3. He then watched the deck be copied, altered, chopped, cut, hacked..you name it. And you know what, he didn't mind. Until people started claiming that XL-U was their idea. It DIDN't EXIST in type I untile he came.
4. He has played the deck in DCI-SANCTIONED tournaments and dominated with it. Not the BS BDominia tournaments, which are played on Apprentice.
5. We respect opponents, value sportsmanship, and value RESPECT. But we both cannot stand this unbelievable screw-job that we received. Is it so hard to just concede that you all owe the deck to him? Respect, sportsmanship and respect all go out the window when credit is put in the wrong place.
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Oh yeah--you are all welcome to take this up with us in person, face to face, on Sunday, at Neutral Ground. I don't think we will be too hard to spot...
Please drop this issue. Nothing good can come from this thread. Seriously.
What about the joe-shmo who first bought a MTG starter deck of Alpha back in 93/94 and decided to create a mono-blueish type deck useing counterspells/p9/mahamotie djinns? Why doesnt he get the credit for starting the whole mono blue phenomina?
I'll tell you why, because nobodies gives a damn. You could point your finger and say who created what first, and who copied who's deck and whatnot. But first of all, it is just a simple card game so calm down. Second of all, you cant pin-point 1 single person as starting a whole deck type because before that person there was someone else who either had a similar or identical design, or came up with the whole idea without actually makeing the deck itself.
This argument is almost as bad as what came first, the chicken or the egg?
If you say Legend gets all the credit, then somebody else could come in stateing that they created an erlier mono blue deck before he did, and then someone before him, and someone before him, and so on and so on...
After all, all legend did was decide to make mono-blue more aggresive wich is not actually createing, but yet modeifing an original mono blue deck created by someone else.
The real people who actually create decks are the guys who work at Wizards and make the damn cards. Because they put together combo cards and add in filler cards that work with different combos/cards and evtually will form decks that people will create. So if anything, give credit to the guy who decided to make Morphling, as he truly came up with the idea of an agressive mono-blue deck.
And as far as the deck name goes, nobody has to force me to call mono-blue legend blue, or blue bull sh#t. If I truly wanted to, I could call the deck "joe crap and the rag-man". Nobody has a trademark, or has all rights reserved on deck types/names, so everyone just lighten up and take a deep breath.
Quote:Please drop this issue. Nothing good can come from this thread. Seriously.
Actually, I wish to be rather arrogant- I am going to say that I did far more than Legend did in the establishment of monoblue as the most powerful archetype in Type one.
Let me tell you what legend blue is-- It is the theory that morphling wants to come into play as fast as possible. I never gave any credence to that philosophy. In fact, I still think that it is a silly way of thinking. My present deck is far more sophisticated in theory, and it beats the shit out of just about everything.
I did not enter online magic until after Mike won the TOTC1. I had a blue deck BEFORE legend posted his that ran 4 facts, 4 kegs, 4 morphlings, 4 drains, 3 misdirects, 4 force, etc. The only thing that Legend was completely original in thinking was the inclusion of mana leak- to this i credit him. I was responsible for the maindeck inclusion of back to basics as well as showing that masticore was a powerhouse in blue. I dug out control magic as a way to beat black. I rejected Legend's silly ignoring of library of alexandria and figured out how to fit 2 wastelands maindeck soon after my deck was allready submitted. I put black vise in the sideboard as another hoser to library and control. I owe Tir for showing me grindstone as yet another win condition. Sure BD's tourney doesn't mean too much to the real world- but it is the only place left for T1 online. And Legend dropped out far before he had any chance to show what blue could do to literally every other deck out there. Parrot, Nuk, and I showed that blue could beat everything else out there- not Legend.
Now my point is this- I have never bitched about what people called the deck that I played. I was simply one of many around the world that came up with better builds of blue Parrot and I are identified with blue after fact or fiction was printed. Parrot and I are siply identified with it cause we worked with it for a long time. I do not want it to be named after any silly psusdoname that I have given myself online. People call it BBS. I call it NecroBlue or Acc Blue. We all understand each other. It was an exercise in deckbuilding, not an invention to be patented.
I defiantly state that I owe Legend very little. I did not copy my build from him and I never did accept his theory on how blue should be built/played. I owe him for showing us that mana leak filled a necessary slot. That is about it. He did not take blue in a direction that it was not allready going. Once you throw out ophidean and start running 5 moxen in a blue deck along with 4 fact or fictions, I think that you are well on your way to coming up with a similar deck to the deck that Legend posted. Furthermore, we have surpassed his build, and have a more mature version now.
Legend is remembered for making a philosophy, not for being the first one to make a deck. That philosophy was never used by any of the local defenders of monoblue, and thus the name of the deck was changed by a keeper player that hated any deck that ran as many counterspells as Blue does.
I have a pet oath deck that I like alot. It just so happens that no one else is interested in tinkering with the thing. If they did I would not claim type one oath as mine. People know where they get their ideas from and credit them. Unfortunately, I feel that I do not owe my present Blue deck to Legend.
Dana, Acolytec
Quote:Yeah, well how come Azhrei gets to have his deck called "The Franchise?". Or how come JP gets to have his keeper deck called "Really Dark Keeper".
Quote:That was mono-blue in type I for all intents and purposes, until Legend reworked things.
Quote:If I want to call Franchise "Doo Dooby Doo Wop Shamma Lamma Ding Dong" I damn well well, and Azhrei will just have to live with it! ;)
Quote:it was always fun to read the statements he made with all of his bombast and arrogance.
Quote:1. Legend was the FIRST to post about the 5-Mox, no Wasteland, 4 Morphling deck. If that is not a creative innovation I don't know what is. It was his idea, he was FIRST.
Quote:Oh yeah--you are all welcome to take this up with us in person, face to face, on Sunday, at Neutral Ground. I don't think we will be too hard to spot...
Quote:After all, all legend did was decide to make mono-blue more aggresive wich is not actually createing, but yet modeifing an original mono blue deck created by someone else.
"If I truly wanted to, I could call the deck 'joe crap and the rag-man'."
Ladies (?) and gentlemen, may I present the official Best Deck Name Ever. 
Negator you are missing every point. I would gladly take this up with you in person. If I can make it up there, I won't be hard to spot either.
People DO have a reason to associate the aforementioned people with BBS. Because it was them who related the deck to the new guys, not Legend.
I didn't think of the "innovations" mostly because I didn't have a chance. I was on a hiatus from Magic from Urza's block until this January. When I first saw the deck posted here, I didn't understand what the big damn deal was. It seemed like the next logical step for Mono U.
As for the ToC meaning nothing outside of BD, I have just one thing to say. To about 75% of Magic players, including myself, DCI sanctioning means exactly zip. You know why? Because most people see it as what it is, a game. I have never had any desire to try to qualify for a PT or GP, and in my 6 years of playing this game, I have only once even thought about registering with the DCI. And what is this domination that I have never heard of? Exactly how many of these tournaments has he won with BBS?
As for childish behavior, there was none. No one was stealing credit. Not once leading up to, or during the ToC did anyone BUT Legend claim to create the deck. No one was upset about anything but him. Nuk and Acolytec chalked it up to the coincidence that it was, a parallel development. And I never said I hated you or Legend, quite the contrary, in fact, although you are fast heading towards the bad list.
As for this you all owe him nonsense, I owe him exactly nothing. I don't play, and more than likely won't play BBS. There was no problem here for months until you started spouting off about the same old story again. Get over it. A little arrogance every once in a while is humorous. Too much of it just makes everyone dismiss you as a fool.
And if that last comment was supposed to be some kind of an off-hand threat, you need to choose your words more carefully. I am a large, unforgiving man who has had a very bad couple of months.
The Maxx
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First of all, Acolytec, you are just an idiot. You have turned on us, the people who made you.
Now I wish to be rather arrogant.
Maindeck Back to Basics? Hmmm.....
See the tournament results from the last few Neutral Ground Type I's. Let's just say that Legend has demonstrated his grasp of the mono-blue concept. Maindeck back to basics are a metagame call, not your idea. Legend and I realized Back to basics could be in the maindeck---assuming enough keeper in the metagame.
Yeah, and you didn't copy Legend's deck....right....
keep on thinking that Grindstone and Masticore are good.....
Because of the foolishness of people like you, we will continue to trample through type one with little or no opposition...and just remember...BD's tourney means nothing-nothing at all. In the long term, the DCI-ratings points and sanctioned tournament wins will continue to pile up as Legend rolls through Type I. You, meanwhile will continue to spout off pointless theory while actually accomplishing nothing.
Also, moron, the very fact that you are using wastelands and library in mono-blue calls into questions your sanity. You don't just throw Library in because it is great. You put cards in that make the deck great. Ever hear of SYNERGY?
You are the silly one--for including non-basic lands in mono-blue. You weaken your own back to basics.
You owe Legend basically everything. You should kneel before us, and swear your eternal allegiance. It will save lives, starting with your own, perhaps.
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The Maxx:
Okay: so you are a large man--and you're point is???
That you are a large man? Relevance? Please clue me in?
So you have basically issued nothing short of a physical threat, escalating the situation. Fine, we love escalation, as that is the next logical step. Why don't we all knife each other in a bloody orgy of steel and ripped tendons?
Do something then. You issued the f-in threat--big mistake. Now, with your offhand threat, you have turned this into something more than Magic. Extra security may be in order for Sunday's tournament? Geez, how stupid can you get...
" I am a large, unforgiving man".
Um, if that is not a lame attempt at a threat, I don't know what is.
Negator, I think the time has come for you to back off. He wasn't making a threat, only responding to what you made out of it. "And if that last comment was supposed to be some kind of an off-hand threat, you need to choose your words more carefully. I am a large, unforgiving man who has had a very bad couple of months". I see that as a promise to respond to YOUR violence. "It will save lives, starting with your own, perhaps." That sounds more like a threat of violence than was Maxx said anyways.
In all honesty, do you think that walking around and calling people morons is going to turn them to your way of thinking?? You made your arguement, people disagreed. Either you counter their arguement, or you give up. Calling people morons shows me that you have nothing more intellegent to say, and thus, have resorted to the lowest form of intellegence, name calling. That sure shows me that Legend created XL-U.
Now, on to your arguements. Saying that Wastelands have no synergy with Mono-U or XL-U is absolutetly insane. If a first turn LoA drops on you, you're dead. Doesn't matter much what the other deck is, if they're drawing twice as many cards as you are, you WILL lose. Masticore is definately not bad, if not good. I don't think personally I would play it, but I can see why people would, and given the proper metagame, I might play it myself. Grindstone could also be good, but I doubt i'd play it. That still doesn't make it horrible, and definatly not worth name-calling.
Ultimatly, if you were to ever grow up, and make serious arguements, people might take you seriously. Until then, people will ignore every blabbering word that comes out of your mouth.
Rakso's right. Zvi's '99 invitational mono-blue deck already used 5 moxen and Mana Leaks. Actually, he got the idea from Mike Long. I read that on Mindripper ... maybe the article is still there.
"You owe Legend basically everything. You should kneel before us, and swear your eternal allegiance. It will save lives, starting with your own, perhaps."
This is getting pretty damn retarded. Somebody care to give this mutant the boot? Rakso?
So your're saying that Zvi COPIED "Legends" deck or... ?
And about lame messages what about your:
"You owe Legend basically everything. You should kneel before us, and swear your eternal allegiance. It will save lives, starting with your own, perhaps."
I think you should grow up, I've seen dozen Acc. WAY before this Legend guy showed up.
And HOW many T1-tournies have he won & was it just some kids there or WAS there some guys that actually could play mtg there ?
Also it's insane saying Wastelands doesn't belong in the deck! I've NEVER seen an Acc. Blue deck that DIDN'T run Wastelands ended in the top8, the ones that always end there HAVE Wastelands!
Why should we give credit to someone that got the "original" thought of throwing counterspells in a deck ? :P
And I hardly see him changing the entire T1-metagame, it haven't had impact or atleast I can't see it!
gnu:Zvi's deck was made BEFORE legend's 8)
Negator, here's an obvious question: Why isn't
LEGEND fighting this thing instead of you? If he
doesn't give jack about this whole mess, why
should we?
its zvi's deck I loved his deck and I keeped pointing people to it lets look at the list
Zvi Mowshowitz
Mono-blue Control
Main Deck Sideboard
3 Morphling - because of Brainstorm
2 Powder Keg - because of ultra t1 meta game and Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
2 Misdirection
4 Mana Drain
3 Mana Leak - a first + lets run less blue mana
1 Counterspell
4 Fact or Fiction
1 Time Walk
4 Impulse
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Brainstorm - people should tyr this
1 Grim Monolith
1 Sol Ring
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black Lotus
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria
4 Wasteland
14 Island
side
2 Scrying Glass
2 Masticore - its there
2 Powder Keg
2 Hydroblast
2 Annul
2 Back to Basics - its there
3 Treachery
Zvi's deck was first, some of the modifactions are in the side , but there all there. this deck was not created by any bd member it was made by zvi. but with a poorly formated deck list and a lot of that decks rubish comments from many bd members it was unnotest untill legend deck turnd into a simler deck - through coments about this deck people made to him, then it was only found to be good because people played against legend.
Zvi without question made the first t1 acc and it was the one which the current acc build on bd came from.
since when is adding counterspells and morphlings together and calling it a deck creative?
"Yeah, well how come Azhrei gets to have his deck called "The Franchise?". Or how come JP gets to have his keeper deck called "Really Dark Keeper"."
Well, see, the funny thing about that... I'm not a huge DICK.
"Indisputable FACTS:"
Let's see about that, shall we?
"1. Legend was the FIRST to post about the 5-Mox, no Wasteland, 4 Morphling deck. If that is not a creative innovation I don't know what is. It was his idea, he was FIRST."
Check out Zvi Mowshowitz's last TWO Invitational decks, jackass.
"2. He PROMOTED the deck incessantly and with only the best intentions. He attached his name to the deck, and rightfully so."
You're incessant, all right. I think maybe one of us needs to look that word up.
"3. He then watched the deck be copied, altered, chopped, cut, hacked..you name it. And you know what, he didn't mind. Until people started claiming that XL-U was their idea. It DIDN't EXIST in type I untile he came."
Who said it was their idea? I'd also like to add "improved" to our list. ;)
"4. He has played the deck in DCI-SANCTIONED tournaments and dominated with it. Not the BS BDominia tournaments, which are played on Apprentice."
Yeah, and I hear he always Misdirects Strokes of Genius too. Jackass.
"5. We respect opponents, value sportsmanship, and value RESPECT. But we both cannot stand this unbelievable screw-job that we received. Is it so hard to just concede that you all owe the deck to him? Respect, sportsmanship and respect all go out the window when credit is put in the wrong place."
I show respect to people who earn it. So far you have convinced me of nothing beyond your colossal idiocy. That goes for you personally; I hear Legend is actually a decent guy.
"Let me tell you what legend blue is-- It is the theory that morphling wants to come into play as fast as possible."
Hey, now, that's MY idea. Anyone remember my "Suicide Morphling" deck? Rakso, back me up on this. It was U with black spash for Tutors and a ton of mana artifacts and came out when Trix was still pretty new back in early 2000. Looks like that's actually my deck idea then. :P
"You owe Legend basically everything. You should kneel before us, and swear your eternal allegiance. It will save lives, starting with your own, perhaps."
So what have you contributed then? Nothing at all, it would seem. Why don't you stop trying to take Legend's credit by using him to put the spotlight on yourself? You talk about HIM and then say we owe the BOTH of you. That's a load of crap. If we owe Legend, and I do not think that we do particularly, we owe you NOTHING in either case because you have DONE nothing and ARE nothing.
Your penchant for poorly scripted melodrama aside, when was the last time you did anything of value besides feed CO2 to plants?
"First of all, Acolytec, you are just an idiot. You have turned on us, the people who made you.
Now I wish to be rather arrogant."
There's really no need for this kind of atittude. As far as I've seen up until now you've lost all reason you could have.
Usually we do lose reason in our arguments the moment we start offensively address others, such as you are doing. It seems that you've ran out of arguments which proves how feeble your defense about this is.
The moment you start acting so, that's a prove of how mad and desperate you are for being right in a discussion in which you lost you reason the moment you started being offensive, either due to the lack of inteligence, or sim
Negator, before sparing any of our lives, you should start thinking of sparing yours. Childish comments and immature arguments like these aren't taking you anywhere. Follow OUR advice and step down or start acting more maturely.
We really don't need you to remember something we hold to be wrong:
1- as far as I know of, the first accelerated blues deck I started seeing were during the saga-masques type 2, in which acceleration was found in the form of Grim Monoliths. I suppose it's not very original if Legend claims to have created the Acc Blue archetype.
Other than that I also believe that way before him that would be others who would have built other monoblue decks with artifact mana for acceleration, the best blue creature they could get and lots of counters and card drawing.
2- There's no comparison between Legend's deck and those I've seen around here. Not at all... actually because Legend's deck is at it's infancy when compared to BD's. Sorry, but I have no doubts about it.
The decks I've seen around, such as Parrot's and Acolytec's are far, far more tuned than Legend's and make use of cards that have true power in monoblue: masticore being an example.
And, as Tir said, this is Legend's fight, sooooo how come you're the one fighting it?
Oh geez, this is ridiculous. Your rants were irrelevant the first time, now they are irrelevant and dated.
BTW, I have now decided to name my deck, "Bob". Anyone already using the name "Bob" must cease and desist, and immediately give my deck the recognition it is due. Bob Hope, Bob Newhart, and Bob Dole have all been made to see the light, and are now known as the "Famous People Previously Known as Bob". "Bobby", "Rob", "Robert", and "Robby" are different enough to be allowable, as long as they are properly licensed.
Is it just me, or is this incredibly juvenile on everybody's part?
I happen to agree that Legend should not get all of the credit here- Azhrei had a version of BBS that is worlds beyond my T1ToC4 version, and he had it in May of this year. I think that Az wins that tech war, no?
The one thing that Legend did not understand, in my opinion, is that BBS really still is a control deck at heart. It *doesn't* want to randomly drop Morphling at the first opportunity. That's Usually A Horribe Play. It wants cards like LoA, Tutors, Stroke, Twister, and Masticores to be able to more easily dominate a game even without Morph.
And don't touch the Back to Basics. That card reads 2U: Win target game against a keeper deck. Keeper is usually the hardest matchup you have, so isn't that worth it? Besides, you smash almost everything else, barring wierdness like Acolytec's Annoying-As-Hell Oath Deck or Patriot. And with Capsize to tutor for, you even have a chance against some stuff that the origingal Legend Blue lost horribly to.
The other thing is that if you want your deck's name to stick, you probably have the most chance if you don't force the issue. Names like Longpotence, Sligh, and Turbo-Zvi come from a person who plays or builds a deck and who is respected in the community that adopts the name. It just sort of happens. If it does, great. If it doesn't, whatever.
Besides, it's more fun to name your decks creatively. How much fun is it to watch Az and JP fight over Rubber Face and Dork Keeper? :-)
Besides, my personal BBS has been Azule Lux, Stop and Panic, and China Doll in sequence, and none of *those* names have stuck either. :-)
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Truth be told, except for the starting thread, the negator talking was actaully Legend from his own home. I am the real Negator. Legend, C'mon, I let you use this name once, and now, you are using my name and reputation as a shield for your own. Be reclusive at your own risk, not mine.
As for the matter at hand, if any of you would simply give proper credit, taht would be jsut fine. We don't wanna burn the deck's memory from your heads. have teh deck, but give credit where it is due.
FYI: The last time I played Legend at NG, Negator sat next to him the whole game commenting on every play. The match was about 40% playing and 60% listening to Negator. Plus Legend decided to follow Negator's advice in Stripping a Tundra off a Will when I had a Mox Pearl out rather than Duressing me from the graveyard, after which point I Balanced and won.
Actually, Rubefacere's unofficial second name is "Hot Buttered Jesse."
Rakso, IP check?
Az, you never cease to amaze me, you know that? :-P
You've still got nothin' on Space Robot 5 though. And only three people know what that is, so *sticks out tongue*
On deck naming: YOU can name a deck you make any darn thing you want ....... but NO ONE else has to call it that. If more people refer to 'The Franchise', please realise that this is in part due to respect, as Azhrei is generally an active and positive contributor to deck discussions. He was also one of (what used to be) fewer proponents of the keeper deck for a very long time, and has become associated with it.
I have never met Legend, or seen him play. The only thing I have ever seen of him were his posts here, which were generally poorly expressed, often inflammatory, and very rarely constructed.
Guess what? No one here really was playing his version of the deck before he arrived, but that does not make it his strict intellectual property.
Similar builds have been proposed before,as is almost always the case for ANY deck. You don't get associated with a deck just by playing it. You get that association by writing about it, working on it, advocating it, and not acting like a baby when someone else plays it.
Note that different people often call similar decks different things, such as cocoa pebbles vs skull catapult at PT Chicago '99. I like the name BBS. I think it is appropriate and reflective of some of this issues we are left with in type 1. Call it legend blue if you want. Heck, call it Karl Marx blue for all I care. But don't tell us what to call it. And don't ask us to show respect to Legend, because
a) he never showed anyone here any
b) he may have earned it at NG, and may be a nice guy in person, bu he certainly has earned no respect online.
That's it. Karl Marx Blue all the way. That is great. :-D
Parrot: I named Meridian's IBC deck "Liquor up front and poker in the rear."
You will never defeat me. :P
(IP: 205.188.192.47)
Cooperb, are you saying that I am a bad player? You are the guy with a deck of 15 different types of protectors on it. Believe, they plays I make are more than satisfactory. I cannot play around a single card in your deck. IF you have any questions about my abilities, please consult my rating for all answers.
(IP: 205.188.192.47)
TIR, please read this. The reason Legend doesn't seem to be fighting this is because he is fighting it, in my name. Ed, use your original name. i could not care less about T1, really. i just think Legend deserves credit.
DCI Points do not a good deck make, that's like saying you have to be ranked to be an amazing chess player. Personally, I think that there are people on this board who are the worst nightmare for people who are all about the points : Good Players who are either unrated or with low ratings due to lack of sanctioned events. Losing to one of these a few times can give your rating a kick in the head. This silly game that we all happen to play is something that is a bit bigger than ourselves, it's got a lot of unique factors that draw people to it and most of the people playing it haven't even realized some of them. A big piece of that puzzle is the Internet, Magic started to explode _after_ the Internet started becoming common parlance, the newsgroups used to be the only way to get deck discussions going, but then you started having more and more web based content about the game.
What did this do? It made the game a lot bigger than the people who played it or talked about it online, half the time deck design credit isn't even done at all, let alone to the right person. Face it, we play a _dead_ tournament format, so the points matter even less -- the only thing that most of the people here can hope for is the ability to make a good deck, share it, and enjoy the fact that someone chose the design that they made over something else because that particular player thought it was better than anything else they could play. That's a feeling of accomplishment that goes beyond arguing silly names and who did what first, the designer is the definintion of how things work at that point, they have changed the field, arrogance will only wreck that. You may be capable of out thinking a person in a match, I can very safely state that you cannot out think a large group of people consistently, someone in the group will have an idea and everyone else will start to look at that as a new starting point. In this case, Legend added something new to the idea of Mono-Blue as we know it in type 1, this is an amazing thing in and of itself, because it means that he actually _plays_ that format, which is rare, and that he isn't stupid. Then you happen to decide to walk in here, start and argument that's doing nothing but wrecking the guys rep and making everyone think you are being silly.
Quote:Hey, now, that's MY idea. Anyone remember my "Suicide Morphling" deck? Rakso, back me up on this. It was U with black spash for Tutors and a ton of mana artifacts and came out when Trix was still pretty new back in early 2000. Looks like that's actually my deck idea then. :P
well at least the subject line for this thread makes sense now
Well, before anyone adds anything, I'd just like to ask this question:
Who believes that the Draw-Go primer detailing Acc Blue or BBS or whatever was fair enough? I see Legend's name there...
WARNING: Negator
Type I Mill regulars are warned that "Negator" may be up two or three different people. The following IPs have been noted:
152.163.204.203
24.185.160.51
205.188.192.47
The old data for the original Negator and the original Legend were lost in the server transfer, so identities cannot be verified.
However, starting a heated, arrogant conversation with misleading aliases has been frowned upon on this forum since a long way back. Kindly report further abuse...
Yeah, Rakso is right. "Legend Blue" is its own thing-- it's just that no one plays it any more because there are maybe 2-3 BBS versions that are much, much better. Legend gets total credit for Legend Blue, but that's an honor that is damned by faint praise.
Negator,
You're quite justifiedly upset. Your friend has a right to his intellectual property. He also has a right to make money whenever anybody uses his ideas, and to sue half of the people here for trying to reverse engineer his invention. Tell your friend Legend to file for a patent. You guys could turn this LegendBlue thing into a serious cash-cow; the law is on your side.
I do believe the "LegendBlue" decklist had a number of rough spots that a lot of people disagreed with and proved rough, right?
Negator--
No, I'm not. There's no way you could have known I had a Balance in hand, and I probably would have made a worse mistake earlier on. I am an awful in-game player. I am only saying that you wouldn't let us play the damn game.
And why shouldn't I have every which protector I want? I don't play tournaments and have no interest in playing them. And neither I nor my opponent knows which cards are in which sleeves. If you want to give me $8 for a set of deck protectors, I'll be happy to move all my cards in.
>The reason Legend doesn't seem to be fighting this is because he is fighting it, in my name.
One more question- Why? Assuming that I'm actually
talking to Legend here, did you really believe
that your reputation around here was so bad that
you had to use someone else's name? While the
actual 'ownership' of this deck, which imo is now
Acolytec & Parrot's, is of no interest to me, this
need for impersonation is quite a little quirk.
Care to explain, or should we just taunt you about
it?
WARNING: Negator
A fourth IP: 152.163.197.84
Messages such as, "(IP: 205.188.192.47)
Azahariey, you are not the pope. At best, you are a pathetic orphan acolyte that the bishop uses for sexual favors. If you have anything interesting to say, bring team Iron hat over to the ground, and say it to my face"
will not be tolerated.
Cooberp: Are you talking to Negator #1, Negator #2, Negator #3 or Negator #4?
Personally, I think Mr. 152.163.204.203 is the real Legend, judging from the content and writing style.
Someone analyze the time codes and tell me who's really who... I fixed the posts to show the IPs already.
I think everyone needs to calm down a bit because essentially it is just moronic to argue seriously over a card game. I think (I hope) Negator is just bored, on summer vacation, and wants to see if people will go off on him so he can laugh at how many people at BD are uptight.
Okay, since my name was invoked as a source of credibility I shall clarify.
>>>Indisputable FACTS:
Okay, some of these semi-disputable facts at best and some are true....
>>>1. Legend was the FIRST to post about
Wait, now I've talked to Legend in person and he explicitly stated "I did not invent XL-U and I never claimed to." We can all stop arguing over this because he never said it.
Originally I didn't give him any props for his deck, because I didn't think it was anything new. I mean I've been seeing Mono-U with Morphlings, Kegs, and all the off-colored Moxen for like two years full years before I ever heard of Legend--and no one ever claimed to invent it because the basic deck builds itself. Personally I think the biggest innovator was the guy who suggested manaleaks to Zvi.
Apparently this style was NOT represented at BD before him though because MikePhoen's DrawGo was the reigning deck. Okay? Do you hear that? Legend gets some props.
>>>2. He PROMOTED the deck incessantly and with
And if we go back in time and look at the archives of people signing up for ToC2 I think (I think) Accolytec said he was playing "Legend Blue". When talking about the deck in posts they referred to it as Legend Blue and said it was a good deck. What more can you ask for?
I think that moniker was dropped when the deck changed (for better or for worse---I'll leave that over the BBS players to argue about) so much that calling it Legend Blue would have been a misnomer. Afterall does Legend pack Merchant Scrolls? Maindeck Masticores and only 24-6 mana sources? Wastelands? Wasn't one of the defining characteristics of Legend Blue that it had no Wastes?
I think this is a lose-lose situation for everyone, because had they been calling it Legend Blue the enitre time you probably would have bitched at them "How dare you call that pile of blue cards Legend Blue?"
>>>3. He then watched the deck be copied, altered, chopped, cut, hacked..you name it. And you know what, he didn't mind. Until people started claiming that XL-U was their idea. It DIDN't EXIST in type I until he came.
I don't think anyone started claiming it was their idea either---if so they shoud be ridiculed. On the other hand, what did you think was going to happen by Legend posting his deck? Was everyone going to look at it, admire it, and say "Nice deck!"? Some people will blatantly copy it and use it and some people will enjoy tinkering with it. Some bad things/ideas/decks will come from tinkering and also some very god ones--Legend even told me he gives credit to whoever put control magic in the sideboard.
Similarly I posted my Academy deck awhile ago and haggled over card choices with Tedv (who had independently developed a version of his own at the same time) for a month. Now Meridian is playing the exact deck (minus my Lingering Mirage--and probably he'll wind up altering other stuff the more he plays it) in the ToC4 and someone else is taking it to a big type I tourney in germany. I'm cool with that and I look foward to seeing how they do. Perhaps one of them will have some ideas or innovations for me to consider as a result. What possible beef could I have? I am proud of my version, but I know I'm not the first person to shove Academy and Stroke in the same deck.
All that being said I don't call XL-U, Legend Blue because BBS is much shorter to type and reflects my distaste towards the deck.
Congrats to Legend that he won 2 of the last 4 tourneys at NG and, honestly, BIG congrats on beating Mike Pustilnik. However, enough already. I've won more tourneys at NG over the years than Legend has played total sanctioned games (not matches) in type I period. If I ever got the least bit uppity about it, Mike Pustilnik could almost say the same thing to me to put me in my place.
The point is I/we DON'T get uppity about it because A) So what? A bunch of nerds with card games really ammounts to jack. We type I people play for fun, competition, and for the sake of a lost art. B) The only tourney that counts is the next (meaning the theoretical, perpetual next as opposed to Sunday's Grudgematch).
--Matt, The Creator of Keeper
Negator he was not saying you are a bad player.
But since i have the distinct impression i'm not very well liked here anyway, i will.
You're arguments are irrational. You are over emotional. You demand respect without earning it and show none at all. You threaten our regulars. You misuse words from the English language. You cling to incorrect beliefs when they have been proven wrong and demand we acknowledge their truth.
This speaks volumes about your personality and intelligence, to two main contributers to your stlye of play. You do not have the self-restraint, cunning, intelligence or sportsmanship to be respected or effective. These things lead me to beleive you are a bad player.
And before you make any comments about MY intelligence, 99.8 percentile.
-Liam
No, my lasy comment was not a threat. It is a little concept called deterrance. Look up the word's tactical definition.
And like I said, I like(d) Legend. I didn't have a problem with either of you until this mess. And if it is Legend up at the top, I am sorry Negator, he's the one on the short-list.
And the extra security at NG wouldn't have been necessary, I wouldn't want to get banned from the establishment. I was merely stating the consequences of further belittlement of myself. I REALLY hate that. Hell, I still don't even know if I can make it up there.
Well, this goes to show what happens when it's late, and people get behind the shield of their computer. I'm sure both of you are very pleasant people in person, you just need to go back and find the lesson on courtesy, and realize that respect does not come from people without great reason.
The Maxx
P.S. I do believe that was might fine of you to credit Legend even after he demeaned you and the board at large.
And though i have not been here in a while, i am an old regular and i remember and will support Azhrei's claim to BBS, after Zvi
-Liam
Could you use the \ quote function? It's neater.
Also, I'm going to throw together 20 Forests and a random bunch of cards and put my name on it.
Anyone who doesn't use the name is gonna get sitebanned. ;)
Quote:And before you make any comments about MY intelligence, 99.8 percentile.
-Liam
oh yes, for anyone who wants to e-mail me (negator) about the above post, the t1clan adress is incorrect.
Ky***p@s***o.com
-Liam
Boltbait--
>>>BTW, I have now decided to name my deck, "Bob". Anyone already using the name "Bob" must cease and desist, and immediately give my deck the recognition it is dudoesn't he
Actually Jamie Wakefield had a mono-white (or was it green/white?) deck about a year ago called Bob.
--Matt
Actually, I have been considering this for a while, and BBS is becoming such a problem deck and is such an annoying deck to play against or even be in the presence of that I think naming it after Legend would be a good thing.
Well, since the entire Suicide Morphling strategy is well documented as mine, how about "Azhrei's Legendary Blue Deck: What Bullshit?" LOL.
only reason i said that was i expected a reetaliation. Not a putdown of any sort. Just this sort of thing really sets me off.
I don't usually fly off the handle, but, if anyone still remembers my response to Immo (which was very similar), I'm sure you'll understand arrogence in poeple obviously wrong is a hell of a pet peeve.
-Liam
like i said, don't claim to be well-liked here
-Liam
btw negator ARE you immo? ;)
doesn't anybody have something better to do than reply to this gay thread?
Although the Odyssey block has not yet been released , I want to take the opportunity here and now to trademark the following OBC deck. I don;t know what specific cards there will be , but here is my skeletal dekclist:
Xx Cheap red creatures from odyssey
Xx Cheap red burn from odyssey
xx mountains.
I am publishing it now so that the world must acknowledge that the deck is exclusively mine!! I have trademarked and copyrighted the idea. You may not use this deck without using it's proper name (as assigned by me) which will be 'Arrogant Ass Red'. I will later provide details on where to send royalties for the deck's use.
Quote:btw negator ARE you immo? ;)
Quote:doesn't anybody have something better to do than reply to this gay thread?
it just seems unless the post is already 30928349 entries long, if i add anything, that's the last thing added. I've gotten more response from my WotC and Stupid People post than everything else i've ever done put together.
Maybe i'm just internet cursed.
-Liam
That is SO not the best one-liner of the year! Stab your eyes, Rakso, stab them good!
I thought that the "Call it Karl Marx Blue if you want" line was somewhat funnier, though that is a pretty nice slap in the face. :-)
COWER. AND. TREMBLE.
YOUR. INCESSANT. BICKERING. HAS. RECALLED. ME. FROM. MY. SOJOURN. TO. POJO.
YOU. ARE. ALL. WRONG.
I. CREATED. THIS. DECK. WHICH. I. CALL. BRITNEY. SPEARS. BOOBS. NOT. BLUE. BULL. SHIT. IN. 1991. TO. ABUSE. FACT. OR. FICTION. LIKE. A. HOT. THING. WITH. NO. BRAINS.
I. WON. THE. 1992. DCI. NATIONAL. WORLD. CHAMPIONSHIPS.
BOW. BEFORE. ME.
CALL. YOUR. PATHETIC. WHIMPERING. BBS. BY. THE. RIGHT. NAME. IT. IS. BSB.
Lord Azmodan esq.
Still searching for Ihsan
Buddy, FoF wasn't--
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SILENCE. BOW. BEFORE. ME.
I. CREATED. ALL. YOUR. DECKS. BEFORE. THE. CARDS. WERE. EVEN. PRINTED.
Lord Azmodan esq.
Counterfeits r us
Dammit, why must you imp ME all the time--
Mmm... abusing. hot. things. with. no. brains... Mmmm....
IT. IS. BSB. REMEMBER. THAT. BRITNEY. SPEARS. BOOBS.
Lord Azmodan, the deck you designed is so luscious and perky....
FOOL. YOU. CALLED. IT. MINDLESS. IT. WILL. NEVER. SERVE. YOU.
BOW. BEFORE. ME. LOUT.
Lord Azmodan esq.
Holds the patent for lout
this thread is really long.
You know we're in trouble when Lord Azmodan comes to the rescue. This is---
BSB. 0WNZ. J00.
On the contrary, I would say that BSB have served me very well, and very often. :P
>>>btw negator ARE you immo? ;)
Maybe I'm an idiot but I don't get it...
WtF does immo mean?
--Matt
LOL, what an entertaining thread. I'm saving this baby to my hard drive.
Seems like all communities have their arrogant people who claim to have started everything.
The funny thing is, the more time you spend here trying to convince us of his accomplishments the more you descredit the both of you, people who have accomplished great things are thought of as good people because they accomplish things, reciev credit and move on, when you start arguing about WHO STARTED it you just make yourself look like a 6 year old and lose all credability.
Immo is a long story. Crazy poster.
(IP: 152.163.194.211; AOL, choice of scum everywhere, though this is probably not the real Negator's doing given the pattern of posts)
I have AOL, floating IP. And though I am intelligent enough to fit 4 people into my being, I am but one. Sorry.
As for those who mock or attack me, I will see you at the ground. Team Metal poon better have something to show for all the talk and nonsense it spews. You too, Azhrei.
You can fit 4 people into your being ??? Ewwwww.
And here I thought the Matt swinging thread was rude, this was has branched off to DVDA
Did someone say DVDA? :P
Me TOO? Lol, I never said I was any good in any of this. I just said that you're a jackass and an idiot. Legend has a good deck, although it really needs an LoA and a Strip Mine (I mean COME ON GUYS). I just think you're a parasite for trying to ride Legend like this.
(IP: 64.12.102.158; on the move)
The fact that you say that just proves taht not only are you weak in deckbuilding, but you cannot bend your mind even a bit to accomodate changes to teh norm of deckbuiliding. As a T1 player, new ideas are all you have, and you are not helping, with unintellignent and reactionary thinking.
And it is actaully entertaining that you think I am more than one person. Late last night, Paltzik used my name, and that's all. The rest is me.
Sylvester>> I know, it was ironic ;)
DAMN, there have been posted a lot since I last posted...better start reading
Quote:Actually Jamie Wakefield had a mono-white (or was it green/white?) deck about a year ago called Bob.
*from the far corner of the room*
yells-kill this thread!(micro rant over)
from a nuetral observer, and from i have gathered from this post is this:
Zvi made the orginal concept or addapted it from the t2 version of T1 Accelerated Blue.
Zvi, i think, lost the t1 portion of 2000 Worlds, and thus we downplay the deck.
Legend/who ever comes around see the potential of the deck and improves or does what ever to make it popular.
Legend then drops out of the ToC and we dont see him again.
Then Parrot/Acolyt(sorry if i mispell your name) then improve the deck and it becomes popular.
Name changes from Legend BLue(as he is no longer around), then XL-Blue, then BBS which has stuck.
So in conclusion. Legend brought out the deck and then abondined it(here at least) and Parrot and company take its cause and BBS dominate some more.
am i correct in these observations?
I know Patrick Johnson is the same team/in touch/friends with Zvi. Where does he fit into this, as he had an LSD (Urza's Block) deck that was the whole Monolith/Morphling deal, if I recall correctly. First time I ever saw the deck was in the form of PatrickJ.DEC
-Eric
Or it SHOULD have been ironic, forgot the ;)
I think we're getting kinda off topic here ;)
That's the straw last one said being to the end of that I was once to the double flip twice, damnit! And furthermore... When that isn't the other last triple smacker stand, then I'll be the sparky uncle toaster! DAMNIT!
...
And that's final!!!
my BBS deck is personally called patrickj.dec, because the orignial Urza's block acc blue deck was named that. We all owe PatrickJ for the deck. Zvi later changed the deck to type 2 and then type 1 at the invitational...
From Rakso's primer:
APPENDIX II: TYPE I ACCELERATED BLUE
As mentioned earlier, when Urza’s Saga rotated in, blue players suddenly realized that the best counterspells left in the pool were Counterspell and Miscalculation. This was partly why Zvi Mowshowitz felt Replenish could not be defeated by a counterspell strategy, as discussed in the first section of this primer. Draw-Go adapted by no longer seeking total control. Instead, it became more aggressive and sought to play its greatest weapon, Morphling, much earlier than it ever had. Grim Monoliths made a curious appearance in the era’s Draw-Go equivalents, leading to the curious evolution known as Accelerated Blue or PatrickJ (after Patrick Johnson, one of the players who made the deck type popular).
PATJ.TECH, PATRICK JOHNSON, FIRST ROUGH DECK FROM DOJO ARTICLE
Counters (11)
4 Counterspell
3 Miscalculation
2 Power Sink
2 Rewind
Creatures (6)
4 Morphling
2 Masticore
Removal (8)
4 Treachery
4 Powder Keg
Card drawing (5)
3 Inspiration
2 Opportunity
Mana (30)
17 Island
4 Faerie Conclave
3 Dust Bowl
2 Blasted Landscape
4 Grim Monolith
ACCELERATED BLUE, ZVI MOWSHOWITZ, SAMPLE DECK FROM MINDRIPPER ARTICLE
Counters (9)
4 Counterspell
4 Miscalculation
1 Rewind
Creatures (8)
3 Morphling
3 Masticore
2 Palinchron
Removal (8)
4 Treachery
4 Powder Keg
Card drawing (3)
3 Stroke of Genius
Mana (32)
15 Island
4 Faerie Conclave
4 Rishadan Port
4 Dust Bowl
1 Blasted Landscape
4 Grim Monolith
Sideboard:
2 Arcane Laboratory
3 Unsummon
1 Submerge
1 Temporal Adept
3 Scrying Glass
4 Annul
1 Masticore
According to Patrick: “Since the earliest days of magic, deckbuilders have realized the power of accelerating your mana. The rules state that you can only play one land per turn, but players have long used artifacts or other spells to increase the amount of mana available to them in the early game. Obviously, the increased supply of mana gives the accelerated player more powerful options and can often allow them to present an overwhelming threat before the opponent can react.
“In 1995-96 Brian Weissman and Chip Hogan were Mana Draining spells and using the colorless mana boost to accelerate out Jayemdae Tome + Disrupting Scepter or Icy Manipulator + Winter Orb. The concept of blue acceleration is therefore not totally new. However, the printing of an ultra-efficient control creature (who also happens to be a four turn clock) in Saga, new artifact mana in Legacy, and superb board control spells in Destiny breathed new life into this archetype.”
Zvi’s version differed mainly because it used Stroke of Genius to flexibly draw just 1 or 2 cards or more than 4 later on or with Grim Monolith, a debated issue of the time. It also showed how the high mana count was crucial to the deck, and how the deck compensated by trying to make the lands as flexible as possible. Dust Bowl used surplus land to attack the opponent’s mana, and Rishadan Port was used as early as the second turn (instead of holding open mana for countering) to slow the opponent.
Acc Blue thus played very differently compared to earlier Type II Draw-Go decks. It had very few counters it had to use them very carefully, and used these only to slow the opponent enough for a Morphling to enter play and clean up. Its best defense was its own offense.
Despite the restriction of Grim Monolith in Type I (and note that Mana Vault works differently since it can only be untapped during upkeep, which either leaves the Acc Blue player vulnerable for 1 turn or with several points of damage), Moxen allowed the idea to be viable, especially considering that Type I Acc Blue was no longer limited to the weak counters of its Type II ancestor.
Zvi played a deck with 4 Ophidian and 3 Morphling in the previous Invitational. The following year, Fact or Fiction gave the Type I version a consistency the original Accelerated Blue decks never had. As Beyond Dominia regular Matt D’Avanzo commented to the author in private e-mail, “Morphling made this deck style possible and Fact or Fiction turned it into a tier 1 deck...”
ACCELERATED BLUE, ZVI MOWSHOWITZ, 2000 MAGIC INVITATIONAL, TYPE I PORTION
Counters (14)
4 Mana Drain
1 Counterspell
3 Mana Leak
4 Force of Will
2 Misdirection
Utility (14)
4 Brainstorm
4 Impulse
4 Fact or Fiction
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
Creatures (3)
3 Morphling
Removal (2)
2 Powder Keg
Mana (27)
14 Island
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Grim Monolith
Sideboard:
2 Scrying Glass
2 Masticore
2 Powder Keg
2 Hydroblast
2 Annul
2 Back to Basics
3 Treachery
After the Invitational, Beyond Dominia’s second Type I Tournament of Champions (Elrond’s Revenge) revealed that some regulars developed and refined the deck semi-independently after realizing how Fact or Fiction made blue more consistent (it could more reliably fetch its Powder Kegs, for example).
TYPE I ACCELERATED BLUE, ACOLYTEC, BEYOND DOMINIA TYPE I TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS II
Counters (18)
4 Mana Drain
4 Counterspell
4 Force of Will
3 Misdirection
3 Mana Leak
Utility (8)
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
4 Fact or Fiction
2 Back to Basics
Creatures (4)
4 Morphling
Removal (4)
4 Powder Keg
Mana (26)
19 Island
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
5 Moxen
Sideboard:
3 Masticore
2 Back to Basics
3 Control Magic
3 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Flash Counter
2 Gainsay
TYPE I ACCELERATED BLUE, REFINED BY DERANGED PARROT DURING THE TOURNAMENT
Counters (19)
4 Mana Drain
4 Mana Leak
3 Counterspell
4 Force of Will
4 Misdirection
Utility (8)
4 Fact or Fiction
2 Back to Basics
R Ancestral Recall
R Time Walk
Creatures (4)
4 Morphling
Removal (4)
4 Powder Keg
Mana (25)
1 Black Lotus
5 Moxen
1 Sol Ring
18 Island
Sideboard:
4 Flash Counter
4 Control Magic
4 Masticore
2 Back to Basics
1 Counterspell
The most notable refinement was the emphasis on Mana Leak, which could be played first-turn after playing an Island and an off-color Mox. Parrot also proposed that Control Magic was better than the usual Treachery against Phyrexian Negators and other creatures because it could be played a turn earlier, and that this was more crucial than holding mana open. Both Acolytec and Parrot emphasized Back to Basics as a key card in addition to Morphling.
The Keeper (5-color control) players were a target of the Accelerated Blue decks which had twice as many counters and could easily force a quick Morphling or Back to Basics against them. Strategies specifically against Accelerated Blue were floated by Keeper players. JP “Polluted” Meyer, for example, proposed focusing one’s counters on forcing his sideboarded Jester’s Cap through and removing 3 Morphlings, then waiting to use Obliterate once the last Morphling was played. Accelerated Blue would then run out of cards earlier due to its own Fact or Fictions. Others stuck to the more conventional anti-blue strategy (advocated by many players, even including “The Deck” creator Brian Weissman) of starting a counter war in the Acc Blue player’s turn and following-up with a Mind Twist.
The most extensive commentary on Accelerated Blue was written shortly before the tournament began by the Beyond Dominia poster and Cornell student known only as “Legend.”
LEGENDBLUE 2001
Counters (18)
4 Mana Drain
4 Counterspell
4 Mana Leak
4 Force of Will
2 Misdirection
Utility (6)
4 Fact of Fiction
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
Creatures (4)
4 Morphling
Removal (4)
4 Powder Keg
Mana (28)
1 Grim Monolith
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
20 Islands
Sideboard:
4 Back to Basics
4 Gainsay
2 Annul
2 Capsize
2 Misdirection
1 Strip Mine
As Legend posted: “The two things that really make Type I Acc Blue distinct are the unusual mana base and the use of 4 Morphlings. Most Draw-Go decks use only 2 Morphlings. For Type I Acc Blue, however, 4 Morphlings are essential. It is necessary to have a Morphling ready as soon as enough mana becomes available to cast and protect him. (Note, however, that the mana and spells needed to protect Morphling from another deck varies. Against Keeper, one may require a lot of mana; against a normal Stompy deck, one requires none. – Rakso)
“This deck does not wait. The goal is not to establish sweeping control with The Abyss or Moat, or to go into recursion. The goal is simply to counter enemy spells for as long as it takes for Morphling to do the job. Hence, it is important to have Morphling ready to do his job. Perhaps even more important is Morphling's role as a defender. His blocking ability is actually a major foundation of Type I Acc Blue, because not every creature can be countered.
“The more I play this deck, the more I realize why Morphling is different than all other creatures. He is not just a participant in the game like all other creatures. He is really much closer to being a planeswalker or a wizard, an entity with control over his own destiny. In fact, the only person he has to answer to is me. There are however, a few annoying cards that can stop him, which I will get to later.
“Also, always remember that 'excess' Morphlings can simply be pitched to Force of Will and Misdirection. Therefore, Morphling is never useless. I have actually cast him on the first turn, although the 2nd or 3rd turn is a bit more realistic for an early arrival. These are unusual scenarios though. A more realistic expectation is to cast him anywhere between the 5th and 10th turns, depending on the draw and whether or not a lot of enemy threats are on the board.
“Now, as I mentioned earlier, this unusual mana base is a feature that sets this deck apart from other Draw-Go decks. Why?
“To use both Wastelands and the off-color Moxes would result in having too much colorless mana in a deck that absolutely has to have an abundance of blue mana. I elect to use the Moxes over the Wastelands. The acceleration that they provide in casting Morphlings, Fact or Fictions, and Mana Leaks is crucial. As I said about the Morphlings, its not Type I Acc Blue if it doesn't have all the Moxes.
“But what about Libary of Alexandria? Shouldn't I be scared?
“This deck is made with the idea of imposing its style of play on the game, not the other way around. The surest way to ruin would have been to frantically load the deck with Wastelands just for the purpose of halting Library Of Alexandria. I readily concede that this card can be a threat. So can Mishra's Factory and a whole assortment of other nuisance lands. I prefer a mana base that is solid and reliable, however, and Back to Basics and Strip Mine from the sideboard erase all non-basic land threats.
As mentioned earlier, other Beyond Dominia regulars actually main decked Back to Basics because Type I Acc Blue it is devastating against a number of decks. Legend, however, differed because he insisted on only 20 basic Islands and foregoing every other possible land from Tolarian Academy to Library of Alexandria. In his words, “Blue mana fuels this deck, and a failure to meet this decks mana requirements would have resulted in disaster.”
TYPE I ACCELERATED BLUE MATCHUP ANALYSIS BY LEGEND
A. Keeper
Obviously, Back to Basics will win the 2nd and 3rd games if Type I Acc Blue can win the counter war to force it into play. But Back to Basics aside, always remember that Type I Acc Blue has more counters, before and after sideboarding, so be secure in that knowledge.
Type I Acc Blue can play control in this matchup, yet when it is Morphling time, it can be the aggresor. However, it is important to be weary of Library of Alexandria in the first game, COP Blue in the second and third games, sideboarded Pyroblasts, maindecked Pyroblasts, and of course the absurd first turn plays that can occur, such as a devastating Balance or Timetwister. Type I Acc Blue ought to have a healthy respect for the Keeper decks, but see Type I Acc Blue as having the slight edge here. This should be favorable as long as proper respect is given.
(Note that Keeper has only 8-10 counters. If the Keeper player uses counters against your Fact or Fictions, you can make an intelligent guess as to how many counters he has left in hand. At some points, if you have enough mana to cast Morphling, two blue mana to counter, one or two more blue mana to activate Morphling’s untargetability, and a Force of Will in hand, you might be able to cast Morphling already or use “surplus” Morphlings to bait counters. – Rakso)
B. Mono-Red (Sligh, Straight Burn, other variants)
I consider this to be the easiest matchup for Type I Acc Blue, maybe with the exception of combo. Even if they sideboard Pyroblasts and REBs, they have to sacrifice part of their damage base to do so, whereas Flash Counter only strengthens what Type I Acc Blue was doing anyway. Misdirection, especially the extra ones int he sideboard, only add to this advantage. There are too many counters for red to push enough damage through, and Powder Keg can be a nightmare for them. Further, Type I Acc Blue will outdraw these decks. This is as close to an auto-win as it gets.
C. Deck Parfait (Mono white control)
Intriguing matchup. Very intriguing. This one revolves around one dynamic: Can the Parfait player force either a Sacred Mesa or a Story Circle into play? If not, Type I Acc Blue should be able to win this one. In the first game, it is of the utmost importance to keep thes enchantments from reaching play, because Type I Acc Blue will just concede if they hit, having no way to get rid of them. Second and third game, Capsize helps to remedy this problem somewhat, and Annul helps as well. Don't let Abeyance through; it is typically a setup for A Story Circle, Sacred Mesa or COP Blue. Scroll Rack is worth dealing with, but is not as deadly as the hosers. Land Tax can be annoying, but not a must stop. Just focus on the hosers and be patient with Morphling in this matchup.
(Below is the Deck Parfait list of Raphael Caron as of December 22, 2000:
DECK PARFAIT (DECEMBER 22, 2000)
Drawing Engine (7)
3 Land Tax
2 Scroll Rack
2 Zuran Orb
Survival Spells/Silver Bullets (12)
1 Balance
3 Swords to Plowshares
1 Moat
1 Wrath of God
3 Aura of Silence
1 Story Circle
1 Ivory Mask
1 Ivory Tower
Utility Spells (11)
1 Enlightened Tutor
4 Abeyance
1 Planar Birth
4 Argivian Find
1 Replenish
The Kill (6)
3 Sacred Mesa
1 Jester’s Cap
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Soldevi Digger
Mana (24)
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Serra's Sanctum
13 Plains
1 Strip Mine
3 Wasteland
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Diamond
1 Sol Ring
Note that the Type I Acc Blue absolutely has to counter 3 Sacred Mesa and 1 Story Circle as these render Morphlings completely ineffective, as well as the 4 Abeyance. In addition, Soldevi Digger and 4 Argivian Find recycle countered enchantments, Jester’s Cap can remove 3 Morphlings from the game, and Balance and Wrath of God each take one Morphling with them if they resolve.
Without counting Balance and Wrath of God, these are 14 cards that Type I Acc Blue has to deal with, and allowances must be made for mana acceleration and card drawing provided by Land Tax, Scroll Rack and Planar Birth. While Type I Acc Blue has at least as many counters, the numbers show why a skilled Deck Parfait player may just be able to force the threats through, if not the Land Tax/Scroll Rack drawing engine.
This can be likened, in a way, to the Type II Acc Blue vs Replenish back in Urza-era Type II as discussed by Zvi Mowshowitz earlier because Deck Parfait can overwhelm the blue deck with its permanents. The game is more even in Type I, however. – Rakso)
D. Zoo and its variants
There are many Zoo variants, but the general pattern is to use a bunch of 2/1s, Bolts, and Serendibs, plus a whole assortment of dangerous restricted cards. Powder Keg is the key here. Just counter creatures then play Morphling. Beware the restricted 'refill' cards. Expect the usual sideboard cards, and plan accordingly. River Boas and Blurred Mongooses can be nuisances. This match is favorable as long as everything that Keg and Morphling cannot deal with is countered. Depending on the exact build of the deck, Back to Basics may or may not be necessary.
E. Black Decks (Butter Knives, Pox, NetherVoid)
This is the worst match-up by a wide margin. The handkill, landkill and an early, uncountered Specter or Negator can be a disaster. Mana Leak is extremely helpful here. Not much else to say, except that it is very important to get Powder Kegs into play as soon as possible and set them at 3 to stop Negators and Specters, and to be able to be ready for Scutas and Juzams. Counter as much resource denial as possible, and side in Misdirections.
Against Pox, this strategy is a little different, as their threats are slower than Negators and Specters (Keg also removes The Rack and Cursed Scroll – Rakso). NetherVoid has fewer threats, but more denial.
(It is precisely for this deck type that Parrot proposed the Control Magics in his sideboard. The already lethal anti-control Butter Knives, named after the mono black deck Chris Pikula used in the 2000 Invitational, can be made even faster. Beyond Dominia’s JP “Polluted” Meyer, for example, adds Flesh Reaver. – Rakso)
F. Random Decks
One of the stronger aspects of Type I Acc Blue is that it crushes random decks: sub-optimal versions of top decks, beginner's decks, unfocused decks made by intermediate players, and unexpected decks. Type I Acc Blue makes no mistake in these matchups because having so many counters is always a good remedy for the unkown. (Many of these decks are also not equipped to handle a protected Morphling anyway – Rakso)
G. Combo Decks (New Trix, Pandeburst, TurboLand)
These are the matchups that Type I Acc Blue excels in. There are typically just a few cards to focus in on, and these cards are well-known. Type I Acc Blue has too many counters for combo decks to be succesful unless they draw an unusually lucky disruptive hand. Overall, this is a nearly hopeless matchup for combo decks.
um, patrickj was a TYPE 2 deck.
and Lord Fril you forgot the Azhrei bit. :-)
-Liam
this is a realy fun thread
Wow.
Not only do we have Lord Azmodan stepping in here, but straight quotes from the sacred primers. What's next? The Illuminati?
Wait...is there a connection between...
***fnord.
Negator and legend (IPs don't change by themselves),
If you guys think you are so superior to everyone, then come on #bdchat on efnet and challenge acolytec or parrot to show that their mono-u versions are inferior to your's.
Hope to see you there
-brimstone
One thing I will admit is that while it's cool for a while to have people playing your decks, the novelty does wear off. It started to annoy me when all I played against in minis on #bdchat were Stacker 2, The Patriot, Dark Keeper, and fleshreaver.dec.
Ok, I will also back up Matt in saying that Legend has many times said to me IN PERSON "I did not invent XL-U in Type 1." However, what everyone does need to get straight is that I invented black beatdown (in all forms,) Duress, and Goblin Welder. That is all.
Okay! I haven't read all the way through this yet but I'm at the point where people are calling themselves large men and others are talking about cool deck names.
So when we say "large", are we meaning it in a "that comic book store owner-guy from the Simpsons" kind of way? If so, get real and save the threats.
And as far as cool deck names go; I used to play a
B/U/W deck named "Rage Against the(Miami Sound Machine", which IMO, beats out a lot of 'em I've heard but so far, my favorite would have to be "GIRLS GONE WILD '01". That's just great!
-out
I had a Tempest/Mirage-era Dancing Necro deck called "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." fleshreaver.dec was also very close to being called "Pleasures of the Flesh" and my T1ToC4 Keeper is known to a few as "Sing, Sing, Sing" because it makes you want to get up and do a beatdown dance on your opponent's face.
JP invented goblin welder?
People play rag man in mono-U?
IP's randomly change by themsleves?
Deck names should be patentable?
Knives? Threats? Unforgiving large men and people on one knee swearing allegiance to fools?
Wow, some funky stuff is goin' down at BD. Run for cover.
I wonder how much of this stuff was actually written and how much of it is Rakso's runaway imagination.
We should give names to all decks like the Ents. If I only knew Treebeard's full name...
I'd just like it known now that I'm going to get a patent on anything green with quiron rnagers and not much land in type one. Hey, I suggested it first, and then suggested it a couple more times, and told people it was playable until they damn well agreed! (Or ignored me - I forget which)
Sure, Gzeiger changed the deck slightly (+5 striplands, + 4 forests, - some other junk - is that really much of a change?) and I had invigorates in the first deck I posted, but I think you scum will all agree that what you are playing, really, is 'Sphinx' Green. You eveil bastards!
I'm gonna patent the idea of using moxes. I mean I only DID get the idea from somebody else, and I've only been playing since unlimited, but among the people I know who didn't use moxes before I told them to, I was the first person to use moxes. So there. Would that this logic was only fantasy...
Quote:We should give names to all decks like the Ents. If I only knew Treebeard's full name...
Quote:Yesterday I showed up for the weekly sanctioned Type 1 at Neutral Ground with fleshreaver.dec. We had a low turnout (6 people) because there was a Type 2 Grudge Match Qualifier going on.
Here's the deck I played:
fleshreaver.dec
4 Phyrexian Negator
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Carnophage
4 Sarcomancy
3 Flesh Reaver
4 Duress
4 Sinkhole
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Dark Ritual
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Yawgmoth's Will
17 Swamp
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
SB:
4 Dystopia
4 Powder Keg
4 Spinning Darkness
3 Masticore
Round 1, FIGHT!
Eric Wilkinson, Keeper
I win the die roll and get a decent hand. I start first with a Sarcomancy. Eric lays a Volcanic Island. I drop a Swamp and Ritual out a Sinkhole, which is Forced, so I Sinkhole it again (my intention was to drop a Flesh Reaver instead) and swing. Eric Mysticals for Ancestral and casts it. He counters my attempt at a Negator, and through Time Walks, buys enough time to drop Morphling and I scoop.
I side in 4 Dystopia and 3 Masticore for 4 Sarcomancy and 3 Flesh Reaver.
Game 2-
I get the disruption draw. Critter turn 1, Sinkhole turn 2, and Duress/Hymn turn 3. He Enlightened Tutors for a Moat but doesn't have the mana to cast it thanks to my Sinkhole. I drop the Dystopia in my hand while he's tapped out and he scoops.
Game 3-
I disrupt and hit early but he drops The Abyss. No problem, I Duress and drop Masticore, which goes all the way.
Round 2:
Edward Paltznick (sp?), Legend Blue
If you don't know who Edward Paltznick is, he's LEGEND! Seriously though, (although I didn't know it at the time,) I already knew Negator (but didn't know it was him on BDominia)and those two are actually pretty cool. AND LEGEND DOES NOT CLAIM TO HAVE INVENTED MONO-BLUE!
Anyway, I win the roll and play. I get out a quick Zombie and Flesh Reaver, disrupt him, and he never gets the chance to stabilize.
I side out 2 Wastelands for 2 Powder Kegs (to kill Morphlings as well as Moxen)
Game 2-
He goes first, Time Walks, and drops Morphling on turn 3. I scoop.
Game 3-
I Duress him and see that he kept a poor hand. I drop 2 Carnophages on turn 2 and a Flesh Reaver and Hypnotic Specter on turn 3. He tries to Control Magic the Specter but he's tapped so he dies anyway.
Woo hoo, I beat Legend!
Round 3
Matt D'Avanzo, Keeper
Game 1-
Again, quick beats and disruption kill him before he can stabilize.
Same siding as in round 1
Game 2-
He cast Sylvan Library this game, so of course I lost :-(
What really happened: I get some quick land destruction going, but stall on two land with a hand full of Negators, Specters, Masticores, and a Dystopia. In the meantime, he drops Moat, Sylvan, and Abyss. I have the answers in hand, but not the mana. By the time I can cast Dystopia (to kill the Moat as well as Sylvan he has in play), he Drains it and uses the mana to fuel Demonic Tutor and Time Walk. He drops Morphling and I scoop.
Game 3-
I Duress turn 1 and take The Abyss. He Regrowths it. I Hymn but miss. But I get another Duress on turn 3 and take it. He Enlightened Tutors for Moat but never gets above 3 land (he got to 3 a couple times, but I'd kill one and set him back) and died to a Carnophage and Hypnotic Specter.
So I get $25 credit and try to buy a Mana Drain, but there aren't any, and the only Moat and Abyss that they have is on consignment and can't be purchased with store credit, so I got a Nether Void.
So to silence the naysayers, fleshreaver.dec beat two Keepers and Legend Blue, so I think it really does beat control decks :-P
Andrew:No..
I was the first. Suggested it on MTG-STRATEGY!!!
(i swear...ask donald 8)
Anyway, i never stopped working on it, since i saw it, playing a T2 version of 9-land when everyone else was playing with... ugh... cradle 8)
Also, can i patent...erh.... jinxed idol? 8) And, erhm..lemme think of something that's mine in there 8)
YES! I have the 12 forest thingy, and totem in the SB... So, if i ever see something like that, i want it to be called Sylv(estri)an Green 8)
LOL. come on; whoc ares about IP?
If i wanna call counter-post contre-base or white-control-sux, that's my choice(and problem 8)
On a less joking note: Negator and/or Legend, or whichever is listening at the moment: Do you see Brian Wiseman in here saying "Hey, unwashed masses, call my damn deck 'the deck', not any of this 'keeper' BS!" - because, lets face it, he has a *MUCH* better claim to be the originator of his deck than legend does.
(IP: 205.188.195.27)
That has no bearing on anything. And team iron chef and Azhrei have yet to respond as to how they plan to stand up to our Whirling Pikachu deck.
You know, after Negator's most recent nickname for you, I think I'll call you "Hank Azaria" from now on. :-)
"AOL, choice of scum everywhere"
You do realize you just insulted a very large portion of the internet right ratso? Stereotyping hypocrit
"(IP: 64.12.102.158; on the move)"<----is an AOL IP, what a surprise
Quote:"AOL, choice of scum everywhere"
(IP: 152.163.197.64)
You know what I just realised: This format is not worth this much talk. Until Necropotence is unrestricted, the metagame is frankly very constricted. Therefore, my preparation for this tourney at NG is going to be minimal. Now, If Azhrei would like to challenge me to 20 rounds of wrestling, that would be great. Team Iron Chef VS Negator, I like my chances.
REPEAT: Therefore, my preparation for this tourney at NG is going to be minimal.
REPEAT: Therefore, my preparation for this tourney at NG is going to be minimal.
REPEAT: Therefore, my preparation for this tourney at NG is going to be minimal.
REPEAT: Therefore, my preparation for this tourney at NG is going to be minimal.
REPEAT: Therefore, my preparation for this tourney at NG is going to be minimal.
Dude, challenging Az to a draft is best unfair...wait a sec, I've got an idea: MONEY DRAFT! Me and Negator vs. Iron Chef. I could use some more twenties.
Nameless, wtf?
Perio, no not in the Comic book store owner in the Simpsons sense. In the 210 lb. Ex-football ex-hockey player sense. And it was not a threat, merely deterrance.
And Az,
Quote:On the contrary, I would say that BSB have served me very well, and very often.
well, i don't know about bsb but *I* stand for britney spears' boobs
The really funny thing is that anyone who defines their "might" in terms of a game that has no meaning whatsoever has already lost in ways they probably won't ever understand.
Draft? Please.
(IP: 64.12.105.78)
Draft, yes. A real format. And if this game means nothing, why are you always here, you llama. The reason you down rate magic is cause you have no ratings points, wins, prizes, rating points, wins, prizes, victories, or prizes. You basically are a wolf amongst sheep. These idiots follow you, but in the real world, you are pathetic. And your starcity articles are just empty babble by a mindless idiot. Because of you, Azhrei, i no longer visit that site. www.pokegym.com is strictly superior.
(IP: 64.12.105.178)
Yes, team iron chef is a team i will challenge at anything.
(IP: 64.12.105.178; Howdy Negator)
Gordon finds horse doritos tasty.
llama? very origional.
-Liam
(IP: 205.188.192.39; Howdy Negator)
Look, you guys are completely misguided here at BDominia. My name is Harvey, and my Vintage rating is 2006. I have been playing Mono-Blue for a few months and Legend has changed my life. I owe all my ratings point, prizes, ratings points, prizes, and prizes to him. I owe him my Type I prizes and wins. I have already sworn allegiance to him, with Negator ruling at his side. Otherwise, they would have burned down my entire village and done sick things to the women. My only hope was to give in to them and their power.
Wow, negator (or whoever keeps posting under his name) bears a stong resemblence to a 6 year old red headed step child who hangs out at G+G's. Richard could vouch for me on this one
You are pathetic, and you just babble like a mindless idiot, or someone who is EXTREAMLY immature for his age.
Get a life man or grow up, neither of which will take place anytime in the near future.
Just a note to Negator Harvey:
WORLDWIDE VINTAGE RANKINGS (though a lot of good Type I players play only on the Net since they're miles apart)
Ranking Name Rating Location
1 James P Wisniewski 2055 Buffalo, NY, United States
2 John Chinnock 2025 Berkeley Heights, NJ, United States
3 Ray De Guzman 2011 Chicago, IL, United States
4 Giammaria Muratori 1987 Rimini, RN, Italy
5 Peter Leiher 1982 Charlottesville, VA, United States
6 Michael M. Pustilnik 1981 Brooklyn, NY, United States
7 mike thomas 1973 depew, NY, United States
8 Andrew T Nishioka 1965 Chicago, IL, United States
8 John R Marks 1965 barberton, OH, United States
10 Steven T. Gilpin 1964 Biloxi, MS, United States
11 Brian M Lynch 1963 Summerset, MA, United States
12 Kevin L Greene 1958 Shawnee, KS, United States
13 Arnold Huhndorf 1953 Köln, NWF, Germany
14 Cy Cook 1952 Eugene, OR, United States
15 Elijah A Pollock 1951 Toronto, ON, Canada
16 Thomas F. Guevin 1950 Nashua, NH, United States
17 Martin Jordan 1949 Zagreb, Croatia (Hrvatska)
18 Chris M. Viers 1934 Old Bridge, NJ, United States
19 Matt P Cass 1933 Pheonix, AZ, United States
20 Jean-Louis J D’Hondt 1931 Brussels, Belgium
NEW YORK VINTAGE RANKINGS
Ranking Name Rating Location
1 James P Wisniewski 2055 Buffalo, NY, United States
2 Michael M. Pustilnik 1981 Brooklyn, NY, United States
3 mike thomas 1973 depew, NY, United States
4 joe j weber 1913 rochester, NY, United States
5 Zvi S Mowshowitz 1904 New York, NY, United States
6 Sean Fleischman 1889 Team Neutral Ground, NY, United States
7 Bryan Schmidt 1873 Centereach, NY, United States
8 Alex Shvartsman 1861 Brooklyn, NY, United States
8 timothy m posloski 1861 Munnsville, NY, United States
10 Craig Korycinski 1851 Marey, NY, United States
11 Jamie Parke 1845 Syracuse, NY, United States
12 Matthew Tornatore 1839 Canastota, NY, United States
13 Kevin O McLaughlin 1831 Clayton, NY, United States
14 Eric R Wilkinson 1828 New York, NY, United States
15 Chris P Pikula 1827 Brooklyn, NY, United States
16 Dennis Bentley 1826 Rochester, NY, United States
17 Rich J Bourque 1816 Syracuse, NY, United States
18 Adam Parente 1799 Syracuse, NY, United States
19 Nathan White 1797 North Stockholm, NY, United States
20 Robert H Williams Jr. 1796 Astoria, NY, United States
Well, Bob is not actually a deck created or played by Wakefield, rather it was played by his friend Rodney at States two years back. The deck was G/W, and carried him to victory in Vermont (yeah, yeah, stop your laughing). On the car ride home, Rodney's son named the deck Bob, and Bob stuck.
Of course all of that was clearly, insanely, off-topic. But its just as well, because the only reason I would add is that I demand more Lord Azmodan. Man is that guy ever funny! Although Shadow's post was definately the best so far.
The truth is, that was my granddog typing for me. Sorry.
DAMNIT...how far did my rating fall from this accursed month of magic playing? I knew it was bad, but I'm not even on the first page anymore? Rakso is making me cry...
Okay, no offense to y'all but I'm going to have to treat you all like red-headed step children this weekend and beat the bejezzus out of you (no offense to any red-headed step children present). I'm on a mission now...I can't be the lowest ranked of all my friends.
--Matt
Clarification: that's the first page of New York, not nation or world--I'm not that much the man.
--Matt
Good lord, Legend, Did Negator threaten to slap you down if you kept posting under his name? Be a man, and post under the same name all the time. Don't post as gordon the halfwit underpants king, or Harvey the non-existant random prize, or - wait, heck. Just don't post. As I said before, you claiming to have to any significant extent 'created' Acc. blue is more or less equivalent to me claiming to have created Nland green. (Nland isn't as good a deck, fine. not the issue).
Because it's a load of BS. You don't play BBS. Fine. that is because you talk legendary Bull Shit.
Matt: You're not even 1800 anymore in Type I. On the other hand, one Edward Paltzik has played in only 3 events (10 matches) and has a 1647, which is even lower than my Limited rating...
Aw, c'mon, people. You know better than to flame Negator seriously. Lighten up and be funny when you slap him. Look at Matt...
(IP: 205.188.192.46)
Ah, the priest of the rabble opens his trap yet again. What great news do you bring your adoring servants from on high, Rasko?
Okay, as the undeniable voice of reason, maturity, and morality on this mill I feel I should set some people straight:
Az: So exactly how DO the Back Street Boys serve you? We all know....but....like...we want to hear you say it and stuff.
Negator: Do you really want to wrestle, thus forcing you to be all sweaty and pressed up against each other, with Az, a man that admits to the general public that the Back Street Boys (not just one or two, BUT ALL OF THEM for Christ's sake--and he said it with such pride and bombast!) "serve" him on a regular basis? If the answer is still yes, will it be mud or hot oil?
Draft: Do you know what Draft is? Paying good money to play with bad cards. Personally I'd rather play with Bolts then Magma Bursts and FoW instead of Foil. I also DESPISE the attack phase.
I can't wait till 9E rules when they eliminate it.
NG Tourney: You know when you all meet in person you're all going to wind up being cordial anyways so can we all just can this? I am a very large and unforgiving man you know. No not really, but if I ever am remind me to say that at least once. I like that...it's very Swartzenagger-esque (sp?).
The Maxx: Funny, I always pictured "The Maxx" as some kind of small computer whiz-kid that dresses in funky, loud 80s clothes and ALWAYS wore big black sunglasses (the 80s kind that slope down to a point on one side) and a leather tie. Must be the name...
--Matt
"WARNING: THE FOLLOWING THREAD WILL BE KILLED IF IT DEGENERATES INTO RANDOM, ARROGANT RANTING. THIS KIND OF BULL WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. THIS THREAD IS BEING SPARED IN THE NAME OF FUN, BUT IF IT STOPS BEING FUN..."
So what are you waiting for?
Quote:So what are you waiting for?
No please don't!!! I got into a car accident today and was all depressed until reading this thread. I cried I laughed so hard!!! Thank you for making my day...
Props to Yamo for the funniest thing I've seen in a long time (I present the best deck name ever...)!!! Rakso you should never delete these things, if people wanna write in here then who are you to stop them.. besides... its soooo damn funny!!!
Whoa! Are you hurt or anything?
Anyhow, check out the compilation of all the quotes from the best nut cases who ever dropped by here. I'm even missing a few who weren't all that funny.
I'd just like to remind everyone that acc. blue existed in T2 long before it ever came to T1, so give credit to the T2 players. You guys just play T1 cuz you've got no innovative skill. T1 is so huge that you can change 3 cards in a deck, and it'll play as a completely different deck. It's got almost the same effect as changing out cards in block constructed, only you're working with a pool of over 5000 cards. Get some originality...
Btw, I'm just kidding, in case anyone wants to get their panties in a bundle... But still, the arguement of who built T1 acc. blue is ridiculous. Nobody ever built a deck from scratch to the final product without the help of other people. You look at someone elses deck and say this could be better if... Or you pull something out of their deck and say this could make my deck better. Right now, I play T2, just cuz there aren't any T1 tourneys in San Diego that I can find and I only own 2 of the P9, mox jet and mox emerald(don't laugh, they were both about $100, which is why I got them), but anyway, my T2 deck is a hodgepodge of Turbochant(which died with 7th edition rolling in)U/W control(which is currently dying, since few people want to play it anymore), and Nether-Go(which was never a tier 1 deck in the first place). I took 3 decks that are slightly less than optimal in the field, and I've got a deck that beats fires, U/W control, Nether-Go, Orbosition(fish, utility, and U/G), U/R counter burn, U/G control, B/W arena, etc. It only loses to machine head, because I can't deal with the quick threats, and counter rebel, for the same reason. But the deck was definitely NOT my idea. Throwing the cards together that I have in the deck was, I doubt anyone else out there is running that deck or anything even similar, but I took ideas from other people. None of the card choices in the deck have never been run before... So why are you all arguing over who first chose to play morphling??? That's like arguing over which single guy built the great wall of china. A couple million people all put it together.... Just my thoughts. Sorry if I'm rambling.
Browsing through this random bit of craziness I came across the following:
Quote:By Sylvester (Sylvester) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 07:44 pm:
Andrew:No..
I was the first. Suggested it on MTG-STRATEGY!!!
(i swear...ask donald 8)
"Az: So exactly how DO the Back Street Boys serve you? We all know....but....like...we want to hear you say it and stuff."
Sorry dude, but I only use posting erotic fiction as a threat, not a reward.
"If the answer is still yes, will it be mud or hot oil?"
Hey, funny thing about this actually is that I'm going to be doing some inter-gender oil wrestling in about 3 weeks.
"Draft: Do you know what Draft is? Paying good money to play with bad cards. Personally I'd rather play with Bolts then Magma Bursts and FoW instead of Foil. I also DESPISE the attack phase.
I can't wait till 9E rules when they eliminate it."
No way, I am so totally looking forward to the challenge of the most awesome format ever suggested: THE TWO MAN BOOSTER DRAFT!!!
What a tool.
"NG Tourney: You know when you all meet in person you're all going to wind up being cordial anyways so can we all just can this?"
Does this mean I can't make him toss JP's salad?
Lol, in my earlier tournament days at Millenium Hobbies I witnessed at least 3 fights, maybe 10 shouting matches, a couple hurled decks, and personally put someone's head in a toilet. Cordial? Wow, you New Yorkers must be the nicest people EVER.
Bring your hot oil, iron hat
I'm still trying to figure that out... iron hat? Like a helmet, or what?
Britney Spears's Boobs, I shall certainly bring hot oil to thee.
Well, Matt, you just about missed on every point of your description of me. I am horrible with computers, I never wear sunglasses, as I am legally blind without my glasses on. And the only ties I own are silk. My shoes aren't even regular leather; they're either canvas or suede. And the loudest color I wear is probably the purple SP on my Fraternity letters.
And AZ, first the BackDooorBoys are serving you well, and now you're talking about tossing salads? I used to think you were cool, but with all the Homosexual tendencies(wrestling, BSB, salad tossing), I'm not so sure anymore. ;)
The Maxx
Hey careful. He cussed me just for that on the other thread...
Maxx: I was going to post a reply to this, but common decency won out. For once.
Two Things
1.You guys crack me up. This has got to be one of the funniest threads I have ever read.
2.Please stop dumping your garbage in Phyrexia. I know you guys hate us...but we still don't want Urza 216, Negator or Legend Blue in our forum...we don't like people like them either...
Quote:No way, I am so totally looking forward to the challenge of the most awesome format ever suggested: THE TWO MAN BOOSTER DRAFT!!!
What a tool.
Roar, my lack of a Vintage makes me the most dangerous man there!
I thought you used to win sanctioned T1 events. Big fish in small pond? ;)
Unsanctioned, all of them.