Tourney Report - Gold and Silver for Keeper :)

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By Big Blue on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 04:59 am:

pre-tourney remarks (skip this part - its long-winded and pointless):

I built this Keeper version before vacations, in July, and haven't tested it in tourneys before. So I was really eager to see how it would perform. When finally the day of the tourney arrived I had some stress before: In the morning I was with my children, trying to practize my diabolo routine, at noon I had to leave to attend the farewell party of my colleague sitting next to me at university (which I did for 15 minutes) and then I had a gig at the city club of Vienna (juggling with 2 diabolos, my favourite hobby). Unfortunately, the Siemens-people talked more than 1 hour longer than expected, so I was afraid of coming late to the tourney (it would start at 16:30) - but KPFV told me they'll wait till 16:45 and the organizers of the Siemens event said they'll get me a taxi and I'll be the first after the speeches. Everything goes well, audience cheers and my adrenaline goes berserk. However, I have 45 minutes to chill out in the taxi (still with my juggling costume) and at 16:44 the taxi parks close to the shop. I enter just in time and even find some minutes to change my clothes. Adrenaline is still high...

the tourney:

1. Counter-Oath

I am immediately paired against quite a good player, but the magic gods see my adrenaline level and give me 3 Wastelands, a Mox, an Ancestral, a Regrowth and a Mana Drain. Since I know that this guy is unlikely to play Pox or Sligh I keep. I see a Tropical and Waste 3 times in a row. A Gaeas Blessing on his side resolves after my Ancestral. I find another Waste and a Strip, FoF twice, Seal his Sylvan and Regrow my YagWill (from a previous 4-1 FoF split with Moxen, Land and TimeWalk and the YagWill on the other side) into concession. I haven't seen much of his deck, but suspect Counter-Oath (I mean: Tropical? Blessing? Sylvan?).

Out: 1 Morphling, 1 Masticore, 1 Edict, 1 Zorb, 1 Abyss, 1 Keg
In: 4 REB, 1 Tormod's Crypt, 1 Timetwister

I have a normal hand, but he kills me with Factories (I cannot find Wastelands in time) and Sylvan.

No SB changes.

He starts with UG painland and the magic gods have still mercy with my adrenaline: After a 1 land mulligan I kept Tundra, 2 Moxen, Timetwister, FoW, Mana Leak and topdeck a Tormod's Crypt. I Twister (there's even no need for FoW-backup) and have some board advantage. However, on his side a Sylvan resolves. He draws himself down to 4 lifes quickly, but before things become uncontrollable I have the chance to FoF. So parity is restored. A few turns later I out-FoF him and Morphling finishes him in 1 turn.

1-0-0 in matches, 2-1-0 in games

2. Pox

I am almost back to normal now, but having to face Pox in the hands of our local Pox hero is not an easy task. Since I am physicist I am not superstitious, but the magic gods feal my fear and punish me (after having lost the die roll) with a 1 land hand containing both Morphlings, YagWill, Regrowth and no FoW - after parising I have a deja-vu (though only 1 Morphling this time) and quickly go down to 5. While I am figuring out the chances of drawing Lotus/Balance in a 2 card-hand I look at my third hand: 1 Wasteland, 1 Ancestral, 1 FoW, 1 Mana Leak, 1 Morphling. Well, if I am to loose I might as well loose quickly, so I keep - at least I have FoW now and Ancestral could be good, if I only would find U soon.
But Pox shows mercy: No Dark Ritual, no Duress - just Swamp and pass. So I draw my Mox Sapphire! I play it and Ancestral into Underground Sea, Mox Emerald and Abyss - I recognize that I am online again and play the Sea and the Mox. I Mana Leak his Hymmn (first blood to Mana Leak!) and drop The Abyss - no Hyppies, no Negators. I feel a certain relief. He fights back with Factories and Cursed Scroll, but I am able to Mindtwist him completely, Waste his Factory and Keg the Scroll in time (with healthy 8 lives). Some FoFs later I play Morphling and counter his Edict and soon we move to game 2.

Out: 1 Regrowth, 1 Masticore, 2 Mana Drain, 1 Duress
In: 1 Spiritual Focus, 1 COP: Black, 1 Control Magic, 1 Timetwister, 1 Enlightened Tutor

Pox seems ill today - he passes after playing a Swamp. Where are the Ritual, Duress, Hymmn hands I am used to? I play first turn COP with Tundra/Mox. He Hymmns me. Some turns later it doesn't look very good for me: he has 2 Racks, 1 Factory and 1 Cursed Scroll. I have only 1 card, but it's a FoF and I have again Abyss in play. I draw the 3 pile with Seal, Land and Mox. But I draw a Vampiric. He plays Demonic during his turn and attacks. I Vamp for TimeTwister, take 2 Rack damage and having emptied my hand I Twister. I drop a Spiritual focus. He plays another Factory, attacks and plays Demonic. I draw my YagWill, think a bit, and then drop Keg, Zorb, Seal of Cleansing and YagWill into Twister. During his turn he attacks and plays Demonic Tutor for the third time!
But I am in control now: I have Abyss, Keg, Spiritual Focus, Seal, COP and Zorb. I Waste his Factories and make a playing error later on, when I intend to Control his Steel Golem but forget his Keg with 3 counters. Well, actually it doesn't matter so much - after Kegging his Scrolls (on 2 lives), Sealing his Keg with 5 counters and countering his Disk (this was his last hope) he looks at my graveyard and my removed pile (Twister, Morphling), asks me if I have another Morphling in the deck and concedes after my affirmative answer.

2-0-0 in matches, 4-1-0 in games

3. mono-B

It is neither Pox, nor NetherVoid, nor Suicide, but still very good - I mean, ANY deck with 4 of Duress, Ritual, Hymmn, Negator, Hyppie and broken cards like Necro, YagWill and the Tutors, supplemented by Edicts cannot be really bad against control. First game is very close, but I misplay my Keg and loose therefore: Although having an Abyss in hand I set the Keg to 3 counters. With Abyss on board his creatures are useless, but he has Factory and Cursed Scroll. I die just 1 turn too early. My fault. Black is known for punishing errors, after all...

Out: 1 Regrowth, 2 Mana Drain, 1 Duress, 1 Mindtwist, 1 Masticore
In: 1 Keg, 1 Spiritual Focus, 1 COP: Black, 1 Control Magic, 1 Timetwister, 1 Enlightened Tutor

I start and FoF him to death. Silver bullets don't show up, but are not needed anyhow. I play an early Morphling and kill him soon.

No SB changes.

Ha! After beating Sylvan Library on board and Pox after a double Mulligan with only 1 Land I feel like I could beat even Necro... Well, he gives me a chance and plays a third turn Necro (after I have countered his second turn Ritual/Negator with MANA LEAK!). But I have an active Library after an Ancestral. Fortunately for me he misplays his Vamp (he does NOT go for Stripmine to kill LoA), so we have some card parity. I cripple a bit his mana base by Wasting his Factories and Stripping 1 Swamp so he is slowed down and forced to draw down to 7 lives, before he can actually play a Scuta with Kicker (down to 4 lives). He has 3 cards left in hand and I have only 2, one of them being Timetwister. I don't know what to do - IF I draw an answer within 4 turns it is best not to Twister and let him starve with Necro on board. But if I don't...? So I Twister and play Spiritual Focus. A few turns later I am the happy controller of a Scuta (with 8 lives left) and all I have to do is to counter his Edict.

3-0-0 in matches, 6-2-0 in games

4. Keeper (essentially the finals)

The mirror match! I loose the die roll and get a 1 Land hand with expensive stuff. My 6 card hand looks like this: Zorb, Lotus, Balance, FoF, Mana Leak, Mystical. I think "If he has no FoW I can balance down to 3 or 4 cards and maybe I topdeck a land..." but this is shaky as hell. So I mulligan down to 5. I have to keep a 1 land/1 Mox hand, but I am not very happy. It turns out, his hand is not so good either. But unfortunately, I misplay my crucial turn (obviously still under the impression of my double Mulligan): He is tapped out and has the whole Jewelery, some lands, a Zorb and more cards in hand. But I have Keg, Balance, FoW and a blue card. I should have Kegged first, and Balanced then, but I did it the other way round. Even worse, in response to the Balance he sacs all lands and I could have countered my own Balance - but I did not think at that time. So after the Balance and the Keg we have board and card parity. He topdecks the first playable FoF and a few turn later I concede. Unfortunately, we have only 10 minutes left. Unfortunately, I am not a good Magic player anymore, that is, I play good if I have time, but I am not used to play under stress anymore...

Out: 1 Abyss, 1 Zorb, 1 Edict, 1 Keg, 1 Seal, 1 whatever (I was in such a rush - maybe it was Balance)
In: 1 Masticore (only 10 minutes left!), 4 REB, 1 BEB (against REB, they are fast)

I should have won the second game - my REBs and FoFs wreak havoc,
but I was playing in such a rush, that I did not counter his Teferi's response on a Wasteland despite of having 3 (!) Mana Drains and 6 open mana. Instead I played Morphling, he Mindtwists me and I am dead even before the 10 minutes are over.

We play a couple of matches afterwards with a more balanced result (though pre-sideboarded his deck is better in the mirror, because he has D-Blow and Stroke and no dead Masticore)

3-1-0 in matches, 6-4-0 in games

5. Pox

I don't remember much of the first game - I was still under the impression of the recent game. But I won somehow with an early Morphling, I think.

In/Out: The same as against previous Pox

He makes an early error: He plays a Keg, but does not kill my Emerald immediately. This gives me (together with the Mox I draw) 4 mana second turn for Abyss. This is (again) practically game for me. Some turns later I win. I just remember that (again) the instant Tutors were gold against Pox - Mystical or Vamp in response to Hymmn is sooo good!

Final score: 4-1-0 in matches, 8-4-0 in games

KPFV wins the tourney and I finish second. I prefer store credit over foil Quirion Ranger (sorry Andrew and Sylvester :))

It is great to see two Keeper decks among the top 2 and not those lousy Forbiddian/Pox/Sligh decks that usually occupie them :)

Here my deck list:

Big Blue's Keeper (with comments):

Mana (28):
1 Undiscovered Paradise (no comment this time, it was still as great as expected and saved me at least in 2 games (once for a REB and once for The Abyss)
4 COB
4 Underground
3 Tundra
2 Vulcanic
1 Academy (this will become a Vulcanic next time!)
1 LoA
1 Strip
4 Waste (with all those Factories even great against Pox, Fobiddian or Sligh!)
7 SoLoMoxen

Counter (10):
4 FoW
4 Mana Drain
2 Mana Leak (they were EXCELLENT - better than Mana Drain - I am almost tempted to swap one Drain for a third Leak)

Draw (5):
4 FoF (I was very content with my replacement Stroke -> 4th FoF)
1 Ancestral

Kill (3):
2 Morphling
1 Masticore (I did not want to loose first game against Sligh or Stompy - and these decks WERE around - but against Pox and control this card is obviously horrible - I will change it maybe to a Gorilla Shaman (sorry, Mako :)))

Defense (6):
1 Edict
1 Balance
1 Keg (great, great, great - this will stay DEFINITELY; though I even did not encounter Sligh or Stompy, this card was excellent against Pox and a Mox-Balance against Keeper)
1 Abyss
1 Seal of Cleansing (as I noted in the Keeper Kernel about it, this card is great against Pox - I would have lost at least 3 games if this would have been a D-Blow)
1 Balance

Search (3):
1 Mystical (IMO the best - blue and gets you almost everything at instant speed - svaed me often against Pox)
1 Vampiric (the second best - B is sometimes a problem and 2 lifes hurt sometimes, but still, instant speed kills!)
1 Demonic
0 Merchant Scroll (horrible against Pox - you Scroll, they Duress; but at least it's FoW-food)

Brokenness (5):
1 Duress (it is so good to see the hand of another control player...)
1 Mindtwist
1 YagWill
1 Time Walk
1 Regrowth (I think, good ol' Regrowth will soon be replaced by good ol' Timetwister and go to the SB or leave completely - farewell, Green :()

SB (15):
4 REB (great, but sometimes I had problems with Vulcanics, or rather the lack of them)
2 BEB (since I had to face no Sligh deck, I can say little about this - in BBS it was always great)
1 Keg (have I mentioned how great this card is?)
1 Masticore (this is your slot - SB, but not MD!)
1 Control Magic (I like it - great against Pox and Forbiddian)
1 Tormods Crypt (excellent against Keeper - since Keeper is a slow combo deck with YagWill as combo and this card wrecks that combo it is your life insurance - and with Twister it has nice synergy)
1 Timetwister (will be promoted to Regrowth's MD slot again)
1 Spiritual Focus (Pox Paranoia; maybe it is not needed - but I was very happy with it)
1 COP: Black
1 COP: Red
1 Enlightened (thanks to Matt for this tech)

So in summary, the Mana Leaks were the heroes of the day - I think, every Keeper player playing Mis-D and/or Counterspell should seriously consider (at least) 2 Mana Leaks in those slots.

Since I saw also KPFV in action I am seriously considering Fire/Ice - this card is really excellent! (You can read more about it in his report...).

Masticore will be banished to 1 SB slot and Gorilla Shaman is likely to enter MD.


By CF (Cf) on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 06:51 am:

I have two "complaints": You sideboarded out Masticore against a deck that packed Negators? I usually side Masticore in against such decks : )

loose (adj)
1: Not fastened, restrained, or contained: loose bricks.
2: Not taut, fixed, or rigid: a loose anchor line; a loose chair leg.
3: Not tight-fitting or tightly fitted: loose shoes.

lose (v.tr)
1: To be unsuccessful in retaining possession of; mislay: He's always losing his car keys.
2: To fail to win; fail in: lost the game; lost the court case.

That was _really_ subtle, wasn't it? ; )

--
Chris


By Big Blue on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 07:26 am:

Ooops... Should re-read before I post :)

Well, anyhow, lose, yeah.

And concerning Masticore: They might be good against Negator, but they are very bad against a deck packing 4 Duress, 4 Hymmns and 4 Pox...


By Matt The Great on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 11:14 am:

Um, is there a reason you put two M's in hymn?


By Coffey on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 02:24 pm:

umm, how did u manag e to get the DCI to allow you to use two balance??? what is the second one supposed to be??


By corrector on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 03:41 pm:

Writing "loose" 5 times and "lose" 0 times, I doubt re-reading it would do much good. ;) But from now on, it will, right?


By Elrond, the High Priest & Pokemon Slayer (Elrond) on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 06:47 pm:

Hmm, wish I could use 2 balance. I would be way cooler than all of you with 1 balance :)


By Liam (Liam) on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 06:50 pm:

If you are banishing Masticore anyway, don't add Mox Monkey keep Regrowth!!!!
-Liam


By Mako Satou, Rose among the thorns (Mako) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 12:13 am:

Nice Tournament report.

I feel that you should adjust your manabase by removing a tundra for a volcanic island. Its is more critical that you get red for red blasts in control match ups.

I feel that you keep that masticore. it is just so gr8 against agressive decks. It is not gr8 against control but its not dead. They can kill it with mindtwist but other then that its almost as hard to kill as morphling.

I've tried maindeck keg and I like masticore better then keg. Keg should be relegated to the sideboard. If you really wanna blow up their mox play mox eater, it doesn't make your mox go bai bai.

I hope the two balance is a typo.

Regrowth works fine off cities, mox and lotus. Its a late game card. Keep it.

Why no merchant scroll, it gets you ancestral, a counter, fact or fiction, mystical or stroke and does not cost u a draw.

TimeTwister is gr8 it prevents u from losing from decking and fills your hand to feed the hungy hungy masticore. but to save you from running out of cards u need regrowth too so keep regrowth if you play with timetwister maindeck.


By Mako Satou, Rose among the thorns (Mako) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 12:16 am:

Oh I forgot, how does undiscovered paradise work for you Big Blue? i would think if you get it early it is really bad.


By Big Blue on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:27 am:

I just deleted everything I had written :(

Well, at least my post will be more concise now:

The second Balance is the missing Zuran Orb - I obviously had a combo in mind during typing...

@mako: UP is great, great, great. As noted above, it saved me twice during the tourney and I never lost a game due to it. It should work even better for you, since you have fewer duals and the hungry Masticore (and it combos sometimes with LoA). It also can help against B2B (you can "untap" it and you can cast REB/Seal/Aura with it). Just make sure it is always the last land you play (unless you really need it urgently for an Abyss/Balance/Regrowth/...).

Merchant Scroll is a good card against control. It is also good against certain aggro decks. But against Pox it is really not so hot. The instant Tutors are MUCH better and fetch you silver bullets after a Hymn or a Pox. I prefer them even over Demonic in this matchup. If you look at my matches you will see that I had to play against 2 Pox decks, 1 Pox-like deck (mono-B w/o Pox) and only 2 control decks (1 of them being counter-oath and the other being the only Keeper in the tourney apart from me). It is similar to the Impulse/Brainstorm situation: Impulse is better, but against discard the otherwise inferior Brainstorm shines.

Concerning Masticore: I just wanted to see how it works and actually never cast it during the whole tourney. But Keg saved my life at least 3 times (once I killed 2 Scrolls, once 2 Racks and 1 Scroll and once a Negator). And I even didn't meet the Sligh or Stompy decks, which are always present here. Sure, Masticore is also excellent against Sligh and Stompy. But it is horrible against Pox and not very good against control. If you look at my matches: 2 Pox, 1 Pox-like and 2 control decks you see why I was not very happy about it.

I played some games for fun with KPFV afterwards and Masticore was always dead - once I dealt 16 damage with it, but it cost me 4 cards and I had no defense left against the Edict.

Regrowth is excellent, I know. But it is green and against Pox it is hard to have the mana of the right colour. Against other decks 4 COBs, 1 UP and the Mox are of course sufficient, since you rarely play it during the first 3 turns.
Timetwister is also recursion and much better against Pox - I am aware that for infinite recursion I need both, Regrowth and Timetwister, but usually I lose or win after a finite amount of played cards. Finally, Twister is a blue card, which is always good.

Note that KPFV and I feature T.Crypt in our SBs - so Regrowth is often dead (Yag.Will too, but it is just too broken).

I am not sold on Mox Monkey instead of Masticore - maybe I'll try Fire and Ice or a second Duress or a second Keg (or even Merchant Scroll, who knows?).


By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 08:41 am:

Hey Big Blue, guess what is in my new version of Keeper. I'll give you a hint. It's a land, it gives you any color of mana, it deosn't deal damage to you, and you don't bury it after using it thrice. I realy like that it's letting me run Sylvan effectively without Trops. 4 City/mox/lotus is sort of shakey, but with one more green source it's much more doable.

Regrowth gone? I'd ditch the lone Duress much sooner. If Twister goes maindeck you can easily stock more control hate in the side.

Fire/Ice is AMAZING. I've been heartily endorsing it since day one. It's an instant Wrath of God for R1 against sligh and against most other aggro decks it's usually only slightly worse (sometimes better) than StP wihtout the obvious problem of being dead against combo and control decks. I don't even side it out against some Keeper decks here that pack 2 shamans, 2 Mishra's, and sometimes Miners.

I love Scroll and can't believe that it's not worthy of a slot in your deck. However, I DO think the instant-speed, abyss finding, library-not-hand Vamp tutor is more attractive in a discard filled field like you seem to have.

I don't support Twister main usually, but I think in your area it might be better since you seem to have so much mono-black. On the otherhand I've never actually SEEN a Pox deck in real life. It is blue in any case.

I think Keg, maindeck is iffy. I've tried it though. It's bad against control except if you get lucky (they have moxen, you don't). People assume you can leave it out with 5 counters for morph, but it just never works. Once Keeper is in control it's usually just irrelevant...they just calmly fetch the D.Blow or outrace counters on a fresh keg. I can't help but think Shaman is better for the maindeck. Shaman is also prtty good against sligh since he also eats scroll and rack.

--Matt

P.S. This doesn't help your current deck, but if you've ever got enough green (say 2 Trops) Compost is the best mono-black killer I ever used. It allowed me to do well even when Necro was at it's worst (when it gained Negator and Unmask).


By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 08:49 am:

>>>Writing "loose" 5 times and "lose" 0 times

Nevermind the fact he speaks English much more properly than 95% of Americans.

Personally, I ain't go no problem with the way he talks English.

--Matt


By Big Blue on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 01:57 pm:

@Matt: umm... let me think... Rainbow Vale, right?
No,no - wait: Archaeological Dig, isn't it? Or are you referring to that land where you have to have a creature in play EOT?

Anyway, welcome to the family :)

I really would like to include the Sylvan in turn (not out of courtesy, but because I agree with you on its quality), but do you think 4 COBs+1UP+1Mox is sufficient to support Sylvan, considering that I am renowned for being colour-screwed?

Yes, Fire&Ice cannot be praised enough - it is *looks through the dictionary and finds no adequate adverb*, well, quite good would be an understatement. KPFV can tell more about it - he killed Hyppies and first turn Negators with it (and he played against Sligh) - he didn't even side it out against me, because he was expecting some Mox Monkeys (I had them last time we encountered each other in an epic battle, but my powers have become weak meanwhile...). It is likely that Fire&Ice will take Masticore's slot.

Merchant Scroll... I don't know how often I have swapped this card between deck and PKCP (Potential Keeper Cards Pile) during the last year. I like the idea of a fourth tutor - however, when I play against my brother (Pox- and Void-less mono-B) I always wish it was something else - a Mana Leak, an instant tutor or some defensive card like Keg (truth be told in many cases I wish it was a Brainstorm - but this card is not part of my PKCP). I see this card as competeing for one Mana Leak slot and since Mana Leak ROCKED last tourney... Survival of the fittest cards, so to speak.

Regarding Keg: I was also reluctant to include it - I did so only after my intensive flirt with BBS, witnessing its performance versus Sligh and Pox - even against Forbiddian it is excellent: You go up to 3 and can Keg away either Ophidian, or Disk (just in time) or Morphling (eating 3-5 damage, but who cares?). Against Keeper it is not so hot, but not as dead as, say, StoP. True, you rarely Keg for five, but it is more likely than StoPping Superman. And it is more flexible (I used it in the tourney as a Mox-Balance in conjunction with the real Balance - I simply misplayed it, though - but otherwise it would have saved me).
And Shaman is usually dead - I mean, not a dead card, but a dead creature - toughness 1 against Sligh? Moreover, Keg is not only good against Scrolls, but also against practically all Sligh-creatures - Wrath of God&Shatterstorm (both just for your opponent) in one card.

I can imagine this is hard to imagine for a "Neutral Grounder", but there are only about 2 good Keeper decks in every T1 tourney - so there is no need for pre-sideboarding against this deck type. Keg will stay, definitely - I even thought of a second one, but I think Fire&Ice is simply better in that slot.

Concerning Compost: Yes, KPFV told me about this tech - sounds nice, but I fear I will have to keep my Vulcanics against Forbiddian (and to be able to play Fire&Ice!) and my Tundras against Pox'n'Sligh for my SB hate.

Finally, the issue of Timetwister: I also did not support him MD previously - but you see, how often I had to SB him into my deck. And for Regrowth it was the other way round. But I am not sold on Timetwister - I have written this report in the aftermath of the tourney, and since I had to face 3 mono-B decks... We will see how I really think about it next month :)

Regarding your last post:
thanx 4 all the fish, Matt :)

To close the orddokraphickal discussion let me reply briefly:

@Matt, the Great: Hymn just sounds as if it should have 2 "m"s - I would have written it with 2 "m"s even in German (but also there it is wrong, as I found out today). Moreover, since I had been generous with vowels I thought the consonants should have their share as well ;)

@corrector: If I write a word wrong (not a typo, but really wrong) I do it usually consistently through a whole article - even if it looks weird the third time, if I see it above I just copy it mentally and paste it wrong again - hence 5 out of 5.

For those who are eager to find more typos and errors in sentences I have written please consult my thesis on
http://stop.itp.tuwien.ac.at/~grumil/.
I am grateful for every new error you find (I have found about 30 now AFTER I have published it - and I have read that damn thing umpteen times before till I could not see it anymore - and 5 colleagues helped me with proof reading, but still...).


By Keeper-Player from Vienna on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:20 pm:

Sorry for not posting anything earlier, I've been quite occupied over the weekend so there was no time yet to write up anything decent.

In order to redeem myself I will type up all the decklists from Friday's tourney for anyone who's interested and maybe some kind of tournament-report (although I cannot imagine how _that_ will be interesting for anyone, reading things like "I play CoP:Red and Ivory Mask, opponent scoops", oh well...).

Quick observations in the meantime: Fire/Ice truly is nothing short of amazing, Dismantling Blow is the way to go for disenchant-effects, and both Powder Keg and Moat have once again proven their value, even maindeck. Decklists and details will follow on the morrow, I'm too tired right now for anything halfway coherent or meaningful.

Thank you for your patience and have a nice day... :)


By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 05:52 am:

I played my new Keeper today and it performed beautifully until games 2-3 of the finals (I must have decided to side out all my lands). I do believe that I was unable to cast Sylvan as soon as I drew it only once--and even then it wasa very short delay. I also have a HORRIBLE tendency towards mana/color screw and even I am not finding Sylvan to be too cumbersome with 4 City, mox, lotus, and UP. From my exprience the ideal green mana count for Keeper is the jewlery, 4 City, and 2 Trops. I am one green mana away from that, but I think some cards' (Sylvan, Balance, etc.) potential effects are strong enough to outweigh such a slight risk. Also Regrowth (in my case) is sometimes sided out so one green card is a very small matter. Note that I have played Sylvan off just cities and mox/lotus and found that I didn't like it at all. Mind you I do sense a marked difference here with the UP. Toss it in! It's such a great anti-discard spell too....

If discard is such a huge problem and sligh is so common why aren't you running 1-2 Mis-Ds main? Duress is pretty bad in both those matchups, particularly mono-black. I think in your area I might really have to run 2.

And now I will try to jedi-mindtrick you into playing with janky cards...

Also do you think (don't laugh too hard) disrupt might be a good spell? Mono-black always seems to have exactly enough mana and nothing to spare. Cantrip-countering a Duress, Sinkhole, Hymn, or even a Ritual on turn one could break them. It's probably decent against Sligh too (kills a burn spell and draws you a card) and against anything where it sucks it'll cycle.

Also against Forbiddian (which as you said is also in force) what about siding Urza's Rage as a very difficult to stop Phid-killer?

--Matt


By Big Blue on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 08:06 am:

Hmm... Sylvan... You almost convinced me :) But I have yet to find a card for the Sylvan slot (and don't even try to suggest Keg :p) - I mean, Masticore has to go, but I thought about including Fire&Ice instead. Maybe the single Duress? (Although didn't I say I would never play Keeper w/o at least 1 Duress? - so I would have to eat my words...). Well, we will see in a month, after the next tourney...

I am aware that Mis-D seems good against Pox and Sligh (I played previously 1 MD and 1 SB), but (*cough*) I will point out why it is not (at least against experienced players):

1. Sligh: A good Sligh player drops his two 2/1s and attacks, but does nothing else meanwhile (except for playing Mishra's and attacking also with them or playing Strip/Waste). Once you managed to Keg/Balance/Abyss the initial threat away a hail of bolts goes down on you - yes, you can Mis-D (some of) them, but only on the player, who couldn't care less - it is for all practical purposes like FoWing a bolt (except you don't lose 1 life, so Mis-D is better, but not really hot). I prefer the 2 BEB in my SB, which are also good against Really Red Keeper. And Mana Leak is also great here (Mis-D is essentially competeing with 1 Mana Leak).

2. Pox: Theoretically Mis-D should be great - they lose 3 cards (Hymn and 2 random) and you only 2 (Mis-D and a blue card of your choice). Practically you lose 2 cards and they lose only a land and a card (the Sinkhole). Or they simply take it with Duress. Mana Leak is again MUCH better, IMO. Against the Pox itself Mis-D won't help either. Nor does Mis-D stop a Scroll or a Big Nasty Creature. It is a bit like a cop (you know what I mean, because I have stolen this metaphor from your post about Teferi's Response).

But Mana Leak was perfect and it is also not dead against control. I will definitely play again with 2-3 Mana Leaks next time.

As to your suggestions: Disrupt is extremely good against Pox, so no need to laugh about it ("janky" is a metagame-dependent notion) :) Many Forbiddian players have 4 Disrupt in their SB. But I feel safe with my Mana Leaks, since I have good chances for U1 first or at least second turn, and Mana Leak is good against a variety of decks, not just Pox (against Keeper Mana Leak is also very nice, but Disrupt is usually dead).

Urza's Rage seems a bit problematic - isn't it RR1? Anyway, I feel content with my 4 REBs - they also kill Ophidians (just Fire&Ice won't work here :() - I have never lost a match to Forbiddian with Keeper (but mainly due to my 3-4 REBs and 1-4 Duress - I usually lose the first game).


By Keeper-Player from Vienna on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 09:01 am:

Hi again here are the promised decklists for your viewing pleasure, comments and tourney report will hopefully follow in the evening.

For the decks from Friday's tournament, click here!

#1 is mine, #2 is Big Blue, #3 our local Pox hero. Don't laugh too hard :p j/k


By Raoul, Supposed Model of Courtesy (Raoul) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 09:22 am:

big blue: congrats for your 2nd place.
KPFV (since when does he call himself that, and what does this mean?:))
i couldn't attend the tourney due to familiy business, though i wanted to play stacker with your two workshops:(
the first round opponent with counter-oath you called a good player: was it dominik?
btw, i miss something in the type one tourneys the last half year: our real pros
i remember cool type tourneys last year, when kobe smashed P9 decks (like chris) with his non-power sligh. and our magic god :) benedikt utterly destroyed me with powerless forbiddian.
and charly and the other top players attended nearly every type one tourney. i don't understand it, but they stopped this somwhere in spring 2001 i'm afraid:(


By Raoul, Supposed Model of Courtesy (Raoul) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 09:23 am:

ok, now it's obvious what KPFV means


By Raoul, Supposed Model of Courtesy (Raoul) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 09:36 am:

KPFV:
it's not only the deck, it's also the player (caus you wrote: don't laugh too much (about the deck lists)).
chris is a good player as you know, but he lost with keeper twice against powerless sligh in type one tourneys last year (without winnig a game i think). the reason: sligh was played by kobe.
and one evening in the centimeter horst smashed chris playing weissman 5:1!
and horst is a good player as far as i know (PTQ winner e.g.), so he compensated the lack of cards with playing skills.


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