I am not "rallying the troops" but I do feel bad and want my friends to know about it.
Yes, I believe our e-mail discussion is working fine. No one is rallying and no one is fighting.
I am seriously upset over this.
Please check:
Does this look like Matt's NetherVoid deck list?
Is this from Luke Berry's Zoo listing?
Are ALL these from my Sligh Primer?
If you've seen any more of this immaturity, kindly inform me. I would honestly like to know.
Our primers have always been available for anyone for free for YEARS... and this is the thanks we get?
Yeah, I replyed to the threads, and I think everyone else should. Don't let this continue to happen, we need to stop all these primer stealing mtgnews members.
The original BD primers rule and is a real blast to read.
Those people trying to steal the work as their own will get their just desserts i guess.
We know in our hearts which is the real mccoy and the REAL magic community. *winks*
BD forever.
Alfie
Thanks, guys.
Just to make it clear, I'm more upset than angry.
They can USE our primers, I'd even be HAPPY.
I'd just appreciate a bit of honesty, wouldn't you think?
I think an apology from the parties concerned is in order. (And it would also be nice if certain strategy mistakes after the "translation" of the BD primers were corrected.)
Ergh.
I've written about 10,000 words in my Rec/Sur primer...and it's only up to Invasion. That also doesn't include stuff like this
Quote:Mogg Fanatic R
Red Summon Goblin Common
Illus. Brom TP
1/1
<Sacrifice Mogg Fanatic>: Mogg Fanatic deals 1 damage to target creature or player.
"I got it! I got it! I---"
First of all, to see the full story, go here:
http://www.mtgnews.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31904
Second of all, rasko, i'm a bit disappointed in you for rather than trying to find a resolution to the situation, you "rally the troops" of BD to go and fight us. i appreciate the fact that you emailed me and discussed this in a polite manner, and i hope we can end this misunderstanding like that, polietely.
don't blame the victim. this shouldn't have happened in the first place.
R-A-K-S-O.
I am not "rallying the troops" but I do feel bad and want my friends to know about it.
Yes, I believe our e-mail discussion is working fine. No one is rallying and no one is fighting.
Yeah man, Rakso didn't rally me and force me into attacking the MTGNEWS boards, and I don't think he did for anyone else on BD either.
I simply replyed to the forum on my own will, and I don't belive I was "attacking" or even flameing anyone.
I guess I am not entitled to my own opinions anymore, and I'm nothing more than a puppet for Rakso's twisted war-mongering...
*Bow's before the almighty Rakso*
In fact, didn't Rakso go out of his way to say that he would have been happy that the primers were being used, he just wanted credit where credit was due? It's not like there's a rally being staged. I'd hardly call that rallying the troops to go and fight anyone.
Just my 2 cents...
-Lou
oh god...i'm not going into this. just to let you know, we ment no harm, and the problem for my primer has been fixed.
i really can't believe this is as big of a deal as it is...
I am the Moderater of the Guru Forum and many others at MTGNews. All Complaints should go to me. All flame will be noted. I am available by AIM via ElGato985. Please, though, unless you want to talk in a civil matter please do not contact me
-Elgato
yes it IS a big deal, even if only for the principles
last time i checked, incidents like that are a big deal and will get you kicked out of just about any university in the world. taking somone else's words without giving them credit. just a comment
I would just like to say that f these claims end up having basis, the offenders will be removed from the MTGNews Gurus. We at MTGNews have no desire for a "War" with Bdominia, nor do we allow cheaters in our group. Please contact me via ElGato985 if you have further questions. I have reviewed the Primers, and though I do not agree that they are all stolen, it does look like the one "written" by a member call Halo.He is most likely in big, big trouble.
-ElGato
I love how the names for these things keep getting invalidated. "FAQ" became innaccurate, and now I don't think that "primer" is really appropriate for a 35,000 word document. =)
Let's go with "Primer" since it's stuck, the quick links to various sections that you thought of, and maybe we can just write overviews or outlnies for the ones that don't have them.
Happy?
Okay, so maybe a problem that's coming up here is that some of these primers are designed for college-level readers! Our best reviews come from high school and university English teachers!
Christ, you people are pathetic. Who cares if Davinox wants to post the primer under his name? He did include some original information, and, on top of that, he fixed the problem.
-Proud to be from MTGNews.com-
Plagiarism is very bad, and a lot of people care about it.
It's not like citing your sources is overly difficult. If he felt like adding his own thoughts to an existing work, it would be easy to rewrite the primer and then cite who and where the information you used came from.
Pretending someone else's ideas are yours is not only deceitful and immoral, but also pretty dumb. i would give a lot less weight to any original contributions he may have had in the article once I realized he needed to adopt someone else's work. It's pathetic and blatant self-promotion. very sad.
Hey Rakso, and on MTG-News you said "no intellectual circles"?
Just imagine we would all meet in real life, sitting in comfortable seats a large hall, spreading out cards, talking about the philosophies of decks and life in general, and writing excellent highly-tested primers in the process and just being civilised...
And, yes, I do care if someone cites extensively without naming the source (no matter where, and when). It is not his intellectual property, and I for one care about intellectual property. Rakso's claims are legitmate.
Dozer
Rakso's claims are legitimate in no way. All he's doing is complaining that another primer, based on the same factual history as his, happens to bear some resemblance to the primer he wrote. If you would look at the MTGnews Primers NOTHING was copied other than common knowledge decklists. Both of the primers are based on historical fact and would therefore be similar no matter who wrote them. Complaining about this stupidity just goes to show how childish and egotistical Rakso is.
random-miser:
a) please stay of this mill. Your hate-on for Rakso is well established and need not be repeated. And having to scroll past your spam gets painful on my eyes
b) the person who altered the sligh primer has acknowledged that it was taken/modified from Rakso's work, so pretending it was developped independently is pretty dumb.
c) I may know what sligh looks like in general but I would not call those exact lists common knowledge.
MTG-News'ers need to obtain that level of maturity that BD has been running on since it's existance. (Excludeing the occasional Negator/Legend post).
And Random, just cause your still mad that everyone here thinks ICT is a bad Zoo deck doesn't mean you gotta spam us.
Hell if that were the case, then MTG-News would get spammed to hell with all the poorly build deck's that the newbies tend to bring on.
And this problem is basically under controll, and now we are just beating a dead horse. It's being controlled, and there is no need for us to continue on with this.
actually, the reason that my Sligh primer was longer than my other primer was because I really don't care much about LIFE, and I did it in a hurry. sligh is my favorite deck, so i wrote it the longest.
I just think you assume too much Rakso, that is all. well, i'm not going to post anymore on this issue, if anyone wants to talk about it for some reason, you can always email me at: n***d@t***r.com
thx.
I would also like to say that, although I've only gotten one request via AIM, like I asked, even though I've heard many complaints on this Thread after my last post. Also, I think someone mention a lack of "maturity" on MTGNews? At least we don't slander other websites or people that we only know from Internet personalities. Please, stop being immature.
-ElGato
I would also like to say that, although I've only gotten one request via AIM, like I asked, I've heard many complaints on this Thread after my last post. Also, I think someone mention a lack of "maturity" on MTGNews? At least we don't slander other websites or people that we only know from Internet personalities. Please, stop being immature.
-ElGato
then please don't come here and tell the patrons OF THIS SITE what to post ON THIS SITE.
your blanket accusations of immaturity are laughable at best. please, stop masturbating your ego and resolve the fucking issue.
I am not saying the patrons of this site are immature; I am saying that it is immature to call us names behind our backs. Unless the poster was refering to Random-Miser...I can understand why you would consider him immature. Anyway, you tell me not to post on this site what people on this site should say? That is a perfectly acceptable request. I won't do that. That is, I won't as long as people here don't come to MTGnews and slander us there, or spam up the alreasy fairly spam ridden forums there. Also, there is no need for foul Langauge.
Now we are immature? Last time I checked, MTG-News wasn't the one getting there copy right's taken away from them.
So I guess you consider anyone who makes a fuss about getting there personal idea's stolen "immature".
Please MTG-New's members, stop being so immature. At least we don't steal information from other websites that we only know from Internet personalities.
-Raven
Raven, Please read all of the primers in question. I can understand the fuss about the NetherVoid one, and I can sort of see why rakso woiuld be mad about the decks, but that has been worked out. Both of those hreads have been edited to give credits to the primershere that use the same decks. However, that isn't that big a deal, really. It's not like anything was really copied, and all of the strategy is our own. And, please, don't read to far into my words and make assumptions.
Yeah, ElGato has done a great job on this. 3 Cheers ::cheers thrice::.
And insulting people on a website using that websites name is just stupid, simply because one person doesn't represent the whole. If someone said, "BD is stupid, just look at Legend and Miser," what would we think?
Saltz
Um... what the hell is going on here?
I go to sleep and wake up and find all this mudslinging... can it!
Anyway, this is a thread from Davinox on MTGNews: http://www.mtgnews.com/forums/showthread.php?s=0091f93174257055ba4dc664a0b9cc9b&postid=349205#post349205
Quote:ATTENTION: About The Guru Primers
ATTENTION:
This is regarding 3 of the Guru Primers. The links are here:
http://www.mtgnews.com/forums/showt...&threadid=23777
http://www.mtgnews.com/forums/showt...&threadid=26328
http://www.mtgnews.com/forums/showt...&threadid=23222
As the leaders of the Gurus, El Gato and I have decided that the Gurus are sorry for any inconvience, and that we will do anything to make sure that a link will be put up on the 3 primers in question linking to your site.
We stress that we had NO intention on ripping off of your primers, and mostly every simularity in the writing was due to your primers being really, as stated in the first post, the inspiration for us making the primers, and we think that a link will be appropriate.
And of course, any decklists that weren't created by the writer of the primer, will be given full credit for their creation.
Besides that, since really no infringement was done, (none of Rakso's writing was copied, merely a rough layout and some generic decklists), I feel that it's time we put this at a close, and that any more attacks on the Gurus or MTG News'ers in general will be tolerated as flame, and should be sent to El Gato, as stated before...
Also, on a more personal note, this is NOTHING like the UK store. that's a store, and it copied YOUR WRITING, word for word. this is more of an "idea" deal.
Quote:For the record, Matt D'Avanzo is hopping mad, he just doesn't have a computer at home and hasn't gotten here yet.
He feels as deeply offended as I did.
No, it's not enough listing his name on his own decklist because if you take a close look at that "primer," I honestly think Matt deserves credit for having written extensively on a favorite deck and giving Halo something to start with.
I hope you guys don't continue thinking that you only have to credit people for decklists and not the rest of their ideas.
You were asking about that UK guy, right, Davinox?
What happened was that he and I are talking about it, and he's extending a token of store credit as compensation. However, in the meantime, at least one website editor (Alex Shvartsman from Meridian Magic) pulled out the link to his site until it can be shown that the integrity of work posted there is verified. Others (like The Ferrett from Star City and Nate Heiss from Magic Word) have expressed disappointment over the incident.
Again, what that UK guy did wasn't really intentional or malicious. I'm not saying this to embarass him, since everything seems to be okay now.
I just want to give you a concrete example of the consequences of all this.
I can tell you guys are looking for respect through your organized help for people here and through the articles you're trying to compile. You'll get that respect, you know, but deep down, you'll feel much more fulfilled doing it on your own merits and crediting the merits of others who tried to do the same before you.
Food for thought, all of you.
Rabid fanatic... damn, that sounds like a certain bunch of guys with cookie cutters! Calm down...
*Slowly put's sharpened Cookie Cutter on the ground*
seeing the post recent mtgnews update, this point is kind of moot now.
interesting.
I wouldn't say I'm hopping mad (there will be no army of homeless peple wielding broken beer bottles at their doorstep)--just annoyed. I think my initial reaction (that no one not in the room with me would know) was something along the lines of "THAT DICK!", but I refuse to get upset about anything relating to a card game. Geez, I'm so much more mellow now in my advanced age.
I just feel like it shows a lack of respect to the author and the reader to not plagarize properly. If I can read though this crap and still see, not just my information, explanations, and concepts, but (for the love of the gods) my own idiomatic expressions that person must think I'm pretty freaking stupid not to realize.
--Matt
P.S. Whatever happened to that guy that wrote the Zoo primer? We need some aggro tech people now...
Luke Berry? I'm afraid I haven't heard from him in well over a year.
We COULD do an APB among the London boys...
You know... Orrgg and Exeter and a few others are missing as well.
nEwAnDa!! is missing too, i havn't seen from him since his birthday and not for months before that.
Also do not accuse anyone of rallying the troops of BD unless your site mysteriously crashes. There's some damn good hackers here ::evil grin::
Now i have to go put my cookie cutter away
-Liam
what kind of hacker crashes a website?
if that's the limit of someone's skills, they don't deserve the title.
Okay, don't even joke like that. I hope you posted that before you heard the mtgnews is shutting down. If not, then you owe US an apology. And I mean that. That is not cool.
How can you owe an apology to something that doesn't even exist anymore?
I say good ridance to mtgnews, never liked the place anyways. Now BD will reign supreme, as it always has!
El Gato: Don't listen to the rat... I hope your site is saved... the more M:TG sites the better.
Actually, Liam has a very good point...
Kinda a coincidence that right after this whole stealing BD primer's fiasco, MTG-News goes under...
Maybe that British site that stole Rakso's article will "mysteriously" go down as well?
FOR THE LAST TIME, WE DID NOT STEAL YOUR PRIMERS! Sheese! No offense, but raven, is your heade going straigt up your ass? I have always had a healthy respect for BDominia, but thanks to you I am starting to lose that respect.
Raven : I feel like flaming you, but I won't. Take this as a hint.
El Gato : You guys at MTGNews are cool and I understand how it can be frustrating to be called names when no offence was intended.
I personally wish to welcome all MTGNews members to BDominia. I hope you'll bring fresh new ideas to the discussions.
Well No offense taken, but I suppose if I had a "heade" (whatever that is), and if there was probable cause, then yes it could be up my ass.
And comming from a prominant member of Mtg-News lowers my respect as well. I could understand getting dissed by a scrub like me, but for a leader/representative of a website to partake in childish flameing doesn't make that web site look very good.
And as I said before, this topic is over and done with. Why you should even still be responding to this thread is questionable.
And isn't it logical that if one dislikes BD or one of it's members that one shouldn't partake in it's discussions, or at least the off topic one's that are prone to offend people (see the thread titled life and other stuff, I belive it has migrated to weird sex fetish's).
So to sum it up, I honestly have no idea what I'm talking about, and I'm gonna go contribute to the Life thread...
P.S: I rarely even visit Mtg-News, so to take my opinions seriously is like takeing it up the arse from Bin-Laden (that, and the cop's confiscated my cookie cutter)
Hey, sorry man. I've had a long day. But you have to admit...you are being a little unreasonable...and I think it is kinda funny that you chided me for making a childish insult (Which is was), as you have been flaming me and the site I go to in every one of your posts on this Thread. Well, if MTGNews goes down, I'll probably start coming here a good bit. I just hope you have a good Extended section.
I suppose because your kinda new around here you don't know all the member's and there personalitites yet.
Basically I'm just a loud mouth and if anything I say is taken as offensive, I appologise, but that's the way I am. And most member's here just ignore it or accept it.
A few other's to watchout for: Legend (if he still comes around), Negator (same thing...), Random-Meiser (isn't so bad, he just is too narow minded and cocky about his ICT), Lord Azamamaohagagjsagdf (the guy with the really long name), Yamo (not bad, just alittle straight forward which can be taken as rude, and seems to take joy in playing BBS).
I didn't cover them all, but those are the one's that come to my mind. I hope alot of MTG-News members flock here, it's good to have new blood. And of course everyone loves initiation ritual's, muhahaha (just kidding, please nobody take offense to this).
Quote:And comming from a prominant member of Mtg-News lowers my respect as well. I could understand getting dissed by a scrub like me, but for a leader/representative of a website to partake in childish flameing doesn't make that web site look very good.
here's to Rakso and the SONIC FIST OF JUSTICE!!
seriously though, i think the rat's opinions are held as his alone and in no way should be interpreted as the common rule of people that frequent this site.
"shoot Miser"
I know he is annoying, but that was alittle harsh, Just drop the cookie cutter and walk away...
And rat's opinions are his own, and don't reflect everyone else at BD, at least I hope they don't...
And on an Off-Topic, I heard Yavimaya Open was also closeing shop. Maybe BD should have a donation service to make sure it doesn't share a similar fate?
Guys i was only kidding. As Raven said, once you get to know us you'll understand
(read: my sense of humor is very warped and it takes some time to understand so don't shoot me right off)
-Liam
Quote:I know he is annoying, but that was alittle harsh, Just drop the cookie cutter and walk away...