T1ToC4 Round 4: DerangedParrot (BBS) 2-1 over K-Run (Parfait)

Beyond Dominia: The Type One Magic Mill: Tournament -- T1ToC4 Archive: T1ToC4 Round 4: DerangedParrot (BBS) 2-1 over K-Run (Parfait)

By Deranged Parrot (Parrot) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 08:34 pm:

These were the most random games ever.

I am too lazy and have too much homework to edit the logs.

Game one: He gets Library. Then, he goes for a Tax. I Force. He Finds. I don't have another one. I lose. He hoofs me to death.

Game two: This is a long, complicated, involved struggle. At the end, I have 3 Morphlings that he turned into expensive Rishadan Ports with Story Circle, and I have one Masticore that's actually doing damage. He runs out of ways to deal with it right as I run out of counters. I win. Near the end, I also use a Force when I should have used a Misdirection. It ends up not hurting when I get to Misdirect an Abeyance one turn later.

Game Three: I have Library and stop him from getting out a Tax until we both have five land. By then, I'm beating on him with a Masticore and he can't find an answer fast enough after I countered his Balance. His hand was horrible, and I had 2 more Cores to beat him up with if he did find a way to kill it.


24. DerangedParrot - StopAndPanic.dec, Techno Remix

By the way, the song is the only reason the deck wins. I forgot to turn it on during game one, but it was blaring during two and three. Coincidence? I think not. :-P

4 Morphling
2 Masticore
3 Powder Keg
4 Fact or Fiction
2 Merchant Scroll
2 Back to Basics
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
4 Mana Leak
3 Misdirection
6 LoMoxen
1 Sol Ring
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Strip Mine
2 Wasteland
15 Island

4 Psionic Blast
3 Mana Short
2 Hydroblast
2 Masticore
2 Back to Basics
2 Wasteland

31. K-Run - Deck Parfait (v.CTM)

1 Ivory Mask
2 Zuran Orb
1 Enlightened Tutor
4 Argivian Find
2 Sacred Mesa
3 Aura of Silence
1 Planar Birth
1 Replenish
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Wrath of God
1 Balance
2 Story Circle
1 Moat
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Ivory Tower
1 Humility
2 Scroll Rack
2 Masticore
4 Land Tax
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mox Diamond
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black Lotus
3 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria
14 Plains

SB: 1 Spirit Link
SB: 4 Abeyance
SB: 1 Cursed Totem
SB: 1 Powder Keg
SB: 1 Grindstone
SB: 1 Replenish
SB: 2 Abolish
SB: 1 Soldevi Digger
SB: 1 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 Ivory Mask
SB: 1 Jester's Cap

By Rico Suave on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 09:53 pm:

I never thought Morphling would be humbled to an expensive Rishadan Port.

By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 09:43 am:

I wonder if it was right to counter Tax in the first place, unless he had Library.

By Deranged Parrot (Parrot) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 09:54 am:

In my experience....

The matchup revolves around Land Tax. If I don't let him Tax, the deck doesn't have enough mana to outrun my mass counters. With Tax, he can throw rediculous amounts of threats at me and just win. Story Circle, Moat, and Humility are also important, but Tax is what will give him the mana to get them through.

I know you put the opposite of this in your article. Why do you think what you think?

By Big Blue on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 10:12 am:

Darth Parrot strikes back!

I am also on Parrot's side concerning Land Tax - I like to mana-screw people... It might not be always the best choice to counter Land Tax, but it is a solid choice for BBS with about 14 counters. In Keeper with only 8 counters Rakso's route seems more advisable.

By Deranged Parrot (Parrot) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 11:18 am:

Besides, against Parfait, Keeper should play aggro-Mind-Twist and screw Tax. Just keep Twisting them as much as possible and you'll be ok.

By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 11:42 am:

On Tax, I completely agree with you, but note that:

1) Tax is the easiest thing to slip past (aside from ZOrb)
2) Tax doesn't *really* do anything against you, directly
3) Waste a counter on Tax and you lose one for the next threat

Basically, without Scroll Rack, I figure Parfait isn't really drawing while you can FoF, so I figure you can let him play with his mana

By Big Blue on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 11:47 am:

Yes, but OTOH Parfait is a control deck, and I like to mana-screw opposing control decks (especially when I am playing control myself) - it saves the indignity of having to counter things - things simply do not appear on the stack, if there is no/few mana available.

By Deranged Parrot (Parrot) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 11:50 am:

In a keeper mirror, do you counter Dwarven Miner? I thought so.

It's the same type of thing. A mana advantage can be turned quickly into a game win, especially by Parfait.

By JP 'Polluted' Meyer, the Archivist (Jpmeyer) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 12:59 pm:

I love letting Tax through. Once they Tax out a large amount of land, I Mind Twist/Zorb-Balance away all their land. I did this against CooberP's Enchantress deck numerous times. You really should only need one Mind Twist or Balance to finish them off.

By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 01:35 pm:


A mana advantage can be turned quickly into a game win, especially by Parfait.

Parfait... no.

See, other decks use the mana advantage to outdraw you.

Parfait doesn't.

By Random-Miser on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 02:59 pm:

uh actually parfait uses the lands themselves to outdraw you....they swipe 3 lands from theyre library making it were now they are far more likely to draw threats...scroll rack isnt even necasary after a couple of taxes, since it will greatly increase theyre threat drawing from that point on...think of it as just taking alll theyre land and putting it on the table...while your stuck still drawing yours...Its the main way in which Parfait is able to overwhelm a counter wall.

By Acolytec (Acolytec) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 03:09 pm:

I personally tend to let tax through. I really do not see much of an advantage if the parfait deck fills its hand with land. On the other hand, rack is a huge threat. That thing always gets countered. I figure that there are 4 taxes and 4 finds all of which cost 1 mana. Thus, I figure he can slip it through somehow and generally just let them. I will grant that parfait will lose if it doesn't get to tax at all against blue, but too many resources are often thrown at trying to stop this from happening.

By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 12:32 am:

Miser: By the time Land Tax does its job, you should have something going. If, instead, Scroll Rack slips past, you have a more immediate problem.

By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 02:05 am:

I'm in the middle of the road on this one.

You have to treat this deck IMO like ReapLace (see my affinity for wierd combo decks helps me here). When playing against ReapLace some people let the Laces trhough since they don't do anyhting, and try to counter the reaps. I will usually hard-counter a Lace, but if I have to FoW it I let it go (seeing as it isn't a direct threat and not worth two cards).

I found the deck much easier to beat if you did it the other way around--counter the Laces and then every reap he draws is a dead-ass card. If one lace get's through he suddenly has 4 instant speed regrowths in his deck.

Personally I would consider Land Tax important enough to hard-cast counterspell, but I wouldn't pitch something to a Force to counter it because, yes it's true, it doesn't acrtually harm your game in any way directly.

Scroll Rack is usually absolute garbage by itself in this deck, but Tax is quite good as it thins his deck allowing him to draw more threats. It's almost the same as him drawing cards period.

In games two and three you have extra enchantment kill in the board (Aura Fracture) to kill Land Tax--even multiples.

I think trying to landscrew a mono-white deck is going to be exceedlingly difficult to do since all your Wastes are dead.

Also if you have Gorilla Shaman you don't need to counter Scroll Racks.


By Big Blue on Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 07:23 am:

Good points, Matt - there are "must counter cards" (like Mindtwist,YagWill,...), "must not counter cards" (like an early Lightning Bolt, ZOrb) and many cards in between. In fact, no card is strictly "must" or "must not", though there are tendencies.

The Land Tax situation is accurately described by Matt, IMO: If you can Mana Leak/Drain it, do it (most of the time). If you have to FoW it, don't do it (most of the time).

But, as always, such rules of thumb are like crutches: An aid for disabled, but an obstacle for everbody else. Sometimes, the JP route of Mindtwist/Balance is better, sometimes... Well, there are zillions of possibilities, after all, that is why we love Keeper :) Just close your eyes and Use The Force when you have to figure out whether you should counter Land Tax or not :)

Concerning the mana-screw issue: Sure, most of the lands are basic ones - but Parfait usually has only 24 mana sources, 10 of which are not basic lands. It is not that you completely screw them, but you deny them (at least) 3 lands, which is not so bad, I'd say (apart from the card disadvantage/improvement of draws issue). You slow them down, which gives you time to go nuts with EOTFOF, Tutors, YagWill, whatever. I am not saying it is always advisable to follow this route, but as a tendency, I'd prefer to counter Land Tax with a non-FoW counter.

Finally, from my own tourney experience with Parfait on the Parfait side, I must confess that I always felt uneasy w/o Land Tax in my inital hand. I lost most of the games against control where I had no Land Tax and won most of the games where I had it.

By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 08:18 am:

Maybe it depends on how you can read his hand. I'm skewed towards letting Land Tax go, I think, because I've played against more Enchantress than Parfait lately, and an Enchantress is WORSE than an Argivian Find.

Maybe I'd agree with Matt on the hard counter IF it's not your last one and IF you will be drawing more very soon (FoF range).

By Big Blue on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 05:29 am:

play Duress, then it's easy :)

By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 07:34 am:


By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 09:29 am:

I think he means you get to see his hand and judge whether or not countering it is the correct play. I think...hell I'm not sure.

I don't know, I've seen a few different people (like 4) come to Neutral Ground NYC with Parfait and they've all gotten their asses handed to them by Keeper, mono-U, and even Sligh (which I totally didn't get, but oh well). I really don't understand how it got this repution as a control-killing deck.

>>>In fact, no card is strictly "must" or "must not", though there are tendencies.

This is true. I won the last type I tourney at Neutral Ground because I decided to NOT counter a turn two ancestral.


However I am 7-0 in multi-player ith Parfait. Everyone has decided that they HATE the deck and the grey hound meets a seal arfing noise (I decided that's what a Pegasus would sound like) I make when I make or attack with Mesa tokens.

By Big Blue on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 02:58 pm:

@Rakso: Matt's interpretation was correct

@Matt: I think, mainly because control did not know what to do with Parfait initially - so they tried to counter Land Tax+Scroll Rack+found Land Taxes+Sacred Mesa and suddenly an Abeyance went through followed by Replenish or a Sacred Mesa or (against Masticore-less BBS) a Story Circle. It was a new, ingenious deck. And it was played by its creator in ToC and he was second, to everyone's surprise (Parfait is NOT easy to play, especially against control - my scores in games where like 1-0 or 1-1 when I tried Parfait once in a tourney - never had time to finish the 3rd one - but this is not Parfait, it was just the combination Big Blue&Parfait;)

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