Rakso's article -- Sucking with the Power Nine

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By ufactor Matt on Saturday, November 17, 2001 - 02:50 pm:

Dear Rakso,

I just finished reading "Sucking With the Power Nine" and found it enlightening for creative deck building and introducing the basics of the format. it was clear, thorough and well supported (yikes, I've been doing school work for so long I sound like an engligh professor..).


any way, rather than unsuccessfully using power cards, I would like to see and article that discusses why tier 2 decks work. to put this another way is "Owning Without the Power Nine". there are Florian principles like consistency (read:redundancy, redundancy), mana curve, tempo and lots of well metagamed HATE to reason why and when sligh and suicide black work. there are also a myriad of specific circumstances when you should NOT include any or all of the power cards. examples of this are Weissmans decision to drop Time Twister and Recall from his deck and the lack of Fork, Vampiric Tutor and off-color moxen in beatdown decks. as a contrast, I'd like to also see why (from your comments) sligh and suicide black are considered "good" decks while other non-power ideas like stompy, pox, WW, and nullandvoid are less successful.
I know your busy (we all are doing what we have to do), so I thank you for reading this.

Peace and Moxes,
Matt


By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Saturday, November 17, 2001 - 09:53 pm:

It's R-A-K-S-O!

Well... thanks. :)

I could write about this at some future time, though what do you mean by "tier 2 decks work"?

Briefly:

Timetwister is conditional. It's okay enough against discard and if you're about to run out of cards, but other times, it's FoW fodder.

Recall is card disadvantage. It's simply been replaced by other cards that are stronger.

Fork is likewise conditional. If you topdeck it, you can't even play it.

Vampiric Tutor is card disadvantage, and may not be "big" enough for some decks.

Off-color Moxen may be less important for many decks. For example, a deck that has Hymn to Tourach and Sinkhole wouldn't care much because it needs black mana, and isn't going to draw lots of cards to make the zero casting cost relevant unless it gets Necropotence into play.


By Sssmwc, Keeper of the Funker (Sssmwc) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 09:14 am:

I really loved the article and how it broke down the reasons why ICT is so incredibly Janky. The break down of the colors in the deck and lack of card drawing were really nice analytical bits.


By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 11:08 am:

Submit something on the Funker (not as a bad deck of course).


By Puschkin, Defiant Vanguard Against The Phyrexian Invasion (Puschkin) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 02:58 pm:

Oh my ...
I just returned from my unvoluntary 40+ day BD-break caused by a damaged harddisk and Rakso is STILL bashing Random-Miser and his ICT!? This could cause further spamming.

BTW, I´ve seen much worse fully powered decks than ICT. Leave that kid alone.


By Nimrod, Huefr of Bogardan on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 03:13 pm:

Most of us have seen worse decks, but their builders don't usually claim that their decks are the best decks of the world and that they can beat every deck and keep spamming with that for months, this is what have set Roy Miser apart, and he doesnt limits to bluff about his deck, but about his supposed hacking skills (and many of us have seen him getting kicked and banned multiple times, despite what he says) and knowing about the future novels and projects of WotC., in a sentence, he have been pure annoyance, and it's not that I dislike him, I actually have a good time talking to him, but when he starts to talk about these things he is just a pain in the ass.


By Nimrod, Huefr of Bogardan on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 03:19 pm:

Most of us have seen worse decks, but their builders don't usually claim that their decks are the best decks of the world and that they can beat every deck and keep spamming with that for months, this is what have set Roy Miser apart, and he doesnt limits to bluff about his deck, but about his supposed hacking skills (and many of us have seen him getting kicked and banned multiple times, despite what he says) and knowing about the future novels and projects of WotC., in a sentence, he have been pure annoyance, and it's not that I dislike him, I actually have a good time talking to him, but when he starts to talk about these things he is just a pain in the ass.


By ufactor on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 05:18 pm:

"tier 2 decks work"

sligh gets rid of anything that is unprepared for it and suicide black kill alot of things that are vulnerable to nullrod+hand destruction+negator. all of these,however were considered to be tier two ina discussion of BD elders about three weeks ago.

a good but very narrow example of what I'd like to see is in "When Power Cards Are Bad Cards" which explains why Wheel of Fortune was left out aggro decks in the 2000 Invitational. it also make a comparison which points out why sligh works better than fatty Zoo/ Monkey May I? even though it relies less on power cards. I would also assert that Power Sligh (like Kastle' s deck with tons o' restricted cards) isn't as efficient as good old mountians, goblins, pups and burn.


By Sssmwc, Keeper of the Funker (Sssmwc) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 05:52 pm:

I think I will eventually right something on the Funker once I feel prepared to put the time to produce something worthwhile on it (and I can think back to remember the early genesis of the deck). I will definitely have to do more through playtesting on some matchups (such as BBS) so I can do a through article on it (maybe an appendix to the Stacker2 primer since the two decks share similar principles in some ways).

Team Iron Chef--up for some playtesting and article writing?


By Azhrei (Azhrei) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 06:06 pm:

Always, but I'll be home this weekend.


By fishonmyplane on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 06:35 pm:

very disappointing, Rakso :(


By Sssmwc, Keeper of the Funker (Sssmwc) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 07:19 pm:

I don't even want to think about the Funker at all this week, I'm still irritated at how it did the job to Agg-control this past saturday...SCREW HURKYLS RECALL!!!!!!


By JP 'Polluted' Meyer, the Archivist (Jpmeyer) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 07:55 pm:


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very disappointing, Rakso :(




What? That Rakso wrote an article about how Type 1 decks don't build themselves? If you look at it, that's what my mis-named Stacker Primer is actually about. Rakso just had a far better deck to refer to.


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