I'm leaving. I give up. I just don't care any more. I've had enough of the flaming and the huffing and puffing and the spam and the complaining. This will just end up a rant.
Guess what, I come to BD to benefit myself as well. When the mill is loaded with shit like "ur keeper will deck if they play noble panterh," I expect Rakso to delete it. It is false and a waste of bandwidth. Why would you ever want to keep that around?
Or the people that cry "censorshp!" because Rakso isn't letting a side be told? Shit, it's because the side is incorrect! You become worse off for reading it.
Why do people get pissed when we say "This is for competitive Type 1 only?" THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A CASUAL MILL. It's not censorship if Rakso deletes your post because you just list a Type 2 deck that you stuck a Sol Ring in. You didn't fit the requirement of posting a competitive deck.
I guess this is why www.teamacademy.com took over BD's spot as my favorite Magic site a long time ago. That site's purpose is to cull the shit. To point out misguided startegy or decklists. To keep people from being worse off after reading an article. I don't mind a restriction in "freedom" (although way too many people forget the whole idea that there isn't freedom of speech on the Internet) if it will improve the quality of writing.
And I'm also leaving over people that shit on my investment or commitment with "It's just a game." Yes, it's "just a game," but I put a lot of time into it. I wrote those primers to help people. It makes me feel good when people become better off when they read something I wrote. I felt really good when I'd get emails during the last Extended PTQ season that said "I used your Rec/Sur primer and made the top 8 Saturday." It felt cool too when Peter Jahn on Starcity read my Stacker article and played it to a 3rd place finish at the Gen Con Type 1 tourney. This is why it annoys me when false or just poor writing ISN'T deleted.
So until I start getting something out of here, bye for a while.
Well, if it makes you feel better, even if you're not my favorite person, I liked the primers and respect your skills at this game. I'll even throw in a "ur mom is leaving" for old time's sake.
whoa
Oh yeah, and don't confuse this with "I'm quitting Magic" cause I'm so not.
Hope stuff happens so you can enjoy BD again, JP. Until then, have fun with games, don't stress over 'em.
Personally i think that you are being selfish.. sure you give and you give.. but in doing so you have made yourself into a tool for our continues use and amusement (i believe jesus himself said that somewhere), and as such, WE OWN YOU. Soda machines dont give up, and people beat on them slightly more than they beat on you. If all these points dont convince you to stay, then ive got only one more question:
Whos gonna stop me from using Arcane Denial now?
Very sad to see you leave BD. You always knew what you were talking about, and contributed very much. I agree that there is way too much infighting going on here. Maybe we need to add a couple extra mods? Not to say anything about Rakso, but he can't possibly catch everything for I'm sure he has a real life too. I know that Random-Miser has been a huge problem, but he probably isn't the only one. We need to find them and get them out of here. Again, sad to see you leave JP. Hope we can work things out here and make it a good discussion place again.
Yes, teamacademy.com is better than bdominia.com. You should all leave here and go there.
*laughs furtively at the subtle implications of his statement*
ETP--stop using arcane denial!!! Or so help me the Trolls will feast.
Rebel428--the news of my spamming, and or flaming have been greatly exagerated by none other then JP, and Rakso themselves. In actuality I do no such thing. In fact as far as I can tell from my occasional visits here the main problem with this sites is the lack of mods who are not excesively childish. Maybe BD should borrow some mods from MTGnews, that place has great Mods. And will this site ever upgrade to support paged threads? I really hate having to dig all the way to the bottom of longer threads.
Miser: Shut the hell up and get the hell out. No body wants you here. Whats more: Never EVER spam up a thread written by someone worthwhile. Go Away.
JP: You've been a great help, and really informative. We'll miss you. Don't stray far.
Miser, do not try to lie, I have seen everything that you do those things and it annoys everybody here, including me. It's people like you who make great people like JP leave, and it really pisses the hell out of me. Even though I rarely go to #BDchat, from what I see here on the forums I can very well tell what you probably do in there. JP probably wouldn't be leaving BD if not for you.
Rebel say what you will, but I do not none of the things you claim...it does seem however that Rakso and friends do have a tendancy to enjoy impersonating me on occasion. If ya wat proof of this look at other forums other than this one here. You know, sites with secure user names! You will see that lies such as the one you are perpatrating have no basis in reality.
Nod.
-Eric
I only have one comment.
Anyone notice that I've been posting a hell of a lot less lately? I'm not leaving at this point, but I agree with JP.
c_C
Well, hope you you still poke around MTGNews every once in a while. I believe I remember the first post of your's there: I think it was on a Thread authored by ..andjusticeforall.. , and rather unpleasent fellow who, to say the least, disliked the gurus. I seem to remember being quite mad. However, your posts there were resonable and clear-headed, not biased to either side of the arguement. You basically told boths sides to shut up and stop whining. And I have to thank you for it. You might have just saved the Guru organization at MTGNews by deflating a few egos, which, thankfully, more or less stayed that way. Thanks
Hope the game stays fun for you
Sincerly
-ElGato
Has anyone noticed that i stopped posting for like 3 months? I Got sick of the crap and im just now coming back.
JP: take a break, come see us when you start wondering what you have to board against. Or better yet come visit the IRC channel
if you left Bdominia for those reasons...
no WONDER you stopped posting at MTGnews !! That place is rampant with scrubs and fags !!
just kidding.....
Even though i have only been visiting BD for about 3 months, i have noticed it going the way of the dojo in Franks last weeks at the helm, and in the last 99% of the time that psylum had control... the crap far outweighs the useful stuff... now, some of you may consider my postings about reap lace to be crap... and the way i analyze things based on the ebb and flow of the format since like 95... but believe it or not, i do know what im talking about sometimes... but my sources for the information is much older than the "careers" of most of you here...thus, what i post seems outdated... however... when you have been around the game for as long as i have (i havent actualy played for 3 years) you see patterns emerge... nothing is really cutting edge at this point... YourFirearmsAreUselessAgainstThem.dec is refreshing to see... but its basic principles are the same as the necrodeck i played in 97... No offence to Legend, i actually like the guy based on what i've read on here... but nothing hasnt been done before... I just get annoyed at the posts like UW control is back... and then they post a millstone deck with some new cards in it... bullshit... Millstone based decks were not millstone decks per se... millstone was just the morphling... it was just the urzas rage... just the negator... the decks philosophy was that every threat available at the time could be neutralized in a positive card exchange advantage, and the kill mechanism had to keep an even pace with the defense... the defense was slow... so millstone fit the bill... i am rambling now, and talking about stuff that most of you have never played against or actually have seen IRL... so i will stop... JP, i wish you the best... dont stop writing about what you know just because you have changed venues... and if you write something worthwhile for teamacademy, CC it to rakso or someone so we can see it... that shouldnt be too much a waste of time...
good day
H
First off, by no means is MAGIC not fun. That couldn't be further from the truth. I will continue to play mad Magic, PTQ (using nouns as verbs is gas,) play Apprentice, etc.
Quote:and if you write something worthwhile for teamacademy, CC it to rakso or someone so we can see it
Damn. Sorry to hear that, but I do agree with you. I tend to simply read the things that directly interest me and not care about the rest. Do you still plan on playing in BDChat or is there another channel thats good on mIRC?
JP: Sorry to see you go. But I really don't think it's all that big of a deal. Just ignore the stuff you don't like. There's still a lot of good stuff on BD. But in any case, will you be sticking around for the end of T1ToC4?
what is the URL for team academy?
Thanks,
pault
Team Academy is a horrible, unfunny site. I don't see the appeal of a bunch of losers who basically think they are cool because they use bad language and produce what they think is 'insightful' criticism of things they don't like. They are moronic, ignorant, and vulgar. Team Academy.com represents everything that is wrong with Magic today. They give Magic and Magic players a bad name. They are unsophisticated, and descend to a prepubescent level of bad humor that I don't find amusing in the least.
Lecter: Reaplace is still somewhere in the category of "intelligent T1 deck" I believe.
Legend: You're just jealous.
JP, btw, will be posting under a new name. "Wiener." ;)
Jpmeyer u should relax...
Let people play its only a game.
JP I have only been here for a short time but I can say that you seem to be the most hepful person here, I'm sorry to see you go. you more tolerant attitude tword new people will be missed.
thanx
Molot
God Damn it!
I don't know, this just seems nuts. When I got here as a little ol' scrub (maybe a year and a half ago), I believe this was the ONLY guy who commented on my WW deck that used Sustainer of the Realm. I've never seen much in the way of spam (admit it, we all do it ) from him. I've don't recall personal attacks upon people.
All I remember is deck help. Oh, and humor.
I guess if you're going to leave, what I say is of minimal importance (especially if you've stoppecd reading the thread), but make this a sabatical, not a retirement.
Saltz
Pues espero que sea hasta pronto. hehe. There you go JP, my mexican goodbye. Is kinda bad see all the really good t1 players go away. I liked all your good advice and good strategy ideas. But if you need a break, hey, then by all means. But if you ever return (and I'm still here), please look us over. farewell and keep playing.
Arex
God, I hate it whenever I read something like this from a regular. "I'm leaving cause of....."
Will you at least grace our IRC channel with frequent visits, or are you tired of that too?
Damn it sucks to see you go 
Somehow even this thread has developed spurts of flame
This will be an unfortunate continuation of a trend. I too have noticed that the quality of content has been trending downward as of late.
If the board is indeed in decline, I think it is because of the following reasons:
1. The core of BD's contributors are getting older, or are going through life changes, and seem to have less time to spend on the game. Az and Rakso have both mentioned their demanding school schedules, and they now have to contribute to Star City as well. Old time regulars like Orgg and Exeter have quit the game or have moved on, and mainstays like Nick, K-Run, and Mikephoen are now hardly heard from. I, myself, haven't built a completely new deck since before Origins, and am only playing magic once every 2 weeks or so. My posting level has also dropped as I don't like to post opinions without playtesting backup. I'm just going through one of those periods where you set the game aside for awhile. The arrival of guys like Matt and Legend have helped, but I'm seeing a growing reticence on the part of some newbies when it comes to posting, as well. I think this is in part due to some overly harsh comments that people get on their decks. It's fine to say that this board is for competitive decks only, but given the lack of any kind of metagame in T1 in some areas right now, the deck with 4 Sengir Vampires and Royal Assasins could be a competitive deck *in their area*. Instead of yelling at them or chasing them off to the casual mill (where posts go to die without useful feedback), we should try to genuinely help them. (Repeat offenders like Random Miser are *not* who I'm talking about, BTW)
2. There are now other venues for expression of Type 1 strategy, which may be diluting the content on the board. #BDChat and Star City are two examples of places where BD members are expressing thoughts and ideas, and this is, for the most part, a great thing. The more people that go to Star City and see that Type 1 isn't a first turn kill format, the better. The format needs new players to stay alive, after all. But if strategy sessions take place on #BDChat instead of on the board, then they are lost to everyone that wasn't on #BDChat at that particular time.
JP: You will be sorely missed. You are an extremely talented and innovative player. Decks like The Patriot and Flesh Reaver are always good to see, and are welcome alternatives to all the posts on existing decktypes. Please reconsider your decision. Although BD has had alot of politics lately, it is still the best place on the web to talk about type 1.
Quote:Rebel428--the news of my spamming, and or flaming have been greatly exagerated by none other then JP, and Rakso themselves. In actuality I do no
such thing. In fact as far as I can tell from my occasional visits here the main problem with this sites is the lack of mods who are not excesively childish.
Maybe BD should borrow some mods from MTGnews, that place has great Mods. And will this site ever upgrade to support paged threads? I really hate
having to dig all the way to the bottom of longer threads.
Quote:Miser: Shut the hell up and get the hell out. No body wants you here. Whats more: Never EVER spam up a thread written by someone worthwhile. Go
Away.
My feelings on this:
1) JP will be missed. A hard worker and solid contributor to the site with some innovative ideas.
2) The decline is partly due I believe to a lack of respect.
When I first started posting here more than year ago, I had not had much exposure to serious type 1 play, and thus knew little about the metagame. My first couple of decks were awful, but they got responses and people said why they were awful. I did not get referred to the casual mill. That being said, I also explained the local metagame I was building decks for, and did not start flaming people who did not like my decks.
What I have witnessed since then is a growing impatience in the established players here to critique new deck ideas from new posters, be they good or not. With all due respect, conversations about banning/restricting/unrestricting 3-4 cards can only go so far (and sometimes get a bit too heated), and the latest 1 card change to the 5-7 decktypes that mill regulars WILL accept is not really enough to keep a mill going. If it was, I would suggest they we break this off into three mills, the keeper/ose mill, the BBS mill, and the aggro mill.
And I'm not suggesting that we should not discuss these decks, but a deck mill should be about more than fine tuning 1-2 cards in a deck that you already know is good or silly arguments about which already established deck is better.
I'm not saying you have to like all non-established decks, but it would be nice if we at least had a look and offered some advice as to WHY the deck may have trouble competing. If this is done and kept polite, those posts will not be nearly as annoying. If someone reacts badly to advice or sggestions about weaknesses in his deck (you all know who I am talking about here (hint : rhymes with tandem-riser)), then just let the post go and dont get drawn into a war of words.
I was especially peeved at what happened to deletehead. Admitedly, he was not a true type 1 calibre deckbuilder. He just did not understand the card pool or what he was up agaisnt. But he TRIED and was always polite and genuine that I saw, and if more people had talked to him about basic concepts of building decks and analysing tem as well as posting untested ideas, I think his posts could have greatly improved. 'Put all your ideas in one post' is a horribly unfair solution.
In short, I dont think the problem here is people posting bad decks, I think its people only caring about good decks.
3) Too many off topic posts:
Half of the posts this mill gets anymore are 'community' or 'off-topic', and I think this needs to be cut down somewhat. Especially considering the nature of some of these posts and the length of time they remain on the mill.
For example, with all due respect to SerraCollector, that post should have been nipped in the bud after the first half-week, as it made little progress after that. Mill quality often comes down to 'signal to noise' ratio, and this mill gets a lot of noise these days.
4) No more Ups. And I dont mean posts designed to up a topic, I mean I would prefer if the mill returned to it's old format and did not show the topics in replied to order. This may be helpful in some respects, but also means that if a deck gets no response in the first half-hour, it will never get one. I don't mind scrolling down for discussions in order to have decks get more looks.
5) Flame wars: Every now and then we are reminded that these are discouraged.
Unfortunately they are also INCITED. You CANT keep someone who REALLY REALLY wants to get a post up here from doing so, so maybe if everybody tones things down a bit, this will be less of an issue. If a post bugs you, ignore it. And if someone is a known spam problem, then posting things like a summary of how badly you beat his deck is not the best way to shut him up.
Neither is creating an imper password of an annoying poster, or making up a deck complete with nonsense statistics to parody a poster's style.
Quote:2) The decline is partly due I believe to a lack of respect.
When I first started posting here more than year ago, I had not had much exposure to serious type 1 play, and thus knew little about the metagame. My first couple of decks were awful, but they got responses and people said why they were awful. I did not get referred to the casual mill. That being said, I also explained the local metagame I was building decks for, and did not start flaming people who did not like my decks.
What I have witnessed since then is a growing impatience in the established players here to critique new deck ideas from new posters, be they good or not. With all due respect, conversations about banning/restricting/unrestricting 3-4 cards can only go so far (and sometimes get a bit too heated), and the latest 1 card change to the 5-7 decktypes that mill regulars WILL accept is not really enough to keep a mill going. If it was, I would suggest they we break this off into three mills, the keeper/ose mill, the BBS mill, and the aggro mill.
And I'm not suggesting that we should not discuss these decks, but a deck mill should be about more than fine tuning 1-2 cards in a deck that you already know is good or silly arguments about which already established deck is better.
I'm not saying you have to like all non-established decks, but it would be nice if we at least had a look and offered some advice as to WHY the deck may have trouble competing. If this is done and kept polite, those posts will not be nearly as annoying. If someone reacts badly to advice or sggestions about weaknesses in his deck (you all know who I am talking about here (hint : rhymes with tandem-riser)), then just let the post go and dont get drawn into a war of words.
Wow Nevyn, that was robably the most down to earth, intelligent, and accurate post on the Mill in general Ive ever read. I agree with you 100%.
JP, destroy what destroys you I guess. Theres alot of respect for you here in these mills.
Hopefully this Mill wont lose more of its well respected contributers, as thats what separates this site from mtgnews.
"Hopefully this Mill wont lose more of its well respected contributers, as thats what separates this site from mtgnews."
And mtgnews doesn't have well respected contributors?
So long jp. Hope I'll catch you ircing.
Community: Let's hope FoF gets the axe December 1st so we get something to talk about!
--
Chris
Hi, I never really knew JP but his primers where insightful to say the least. TeamAcademy.com, I think, is a bad site that was probably started by kids who hadn't hit puberty. While BDominia has articles for new decks and primers, TA.com has articles about how to cheat and peeing on someone's car (go to the website if you don't believe me) which is why I don't like it.
If you get mad at the game just stop. The minute you stop playing for fun is the right time to pace yourself and not play as much. I'm sorry if people are ignorant but what do you expect (no offense to Miser, I just say it in general, or to anyone else previously mentioned).
Have a good life and remember to have fun. If I knew you I might miss you but I didn't so later =-P
I have to agree with Nevyn. Although he stated it far better, I believe that it is important to:
1. Have more patience. Teaching new players and explaining ideas are some of the most fun things possible, but if people don't want to take the time to work with someone, there is going to be NOTHING achieved.
2. Consider new deck ideas more than variations on old ones. While tuning and testing decks are important, it is also important to receive new ideas. Keeper is not here because it was originally dismissed by the community! While most new decks are not as good as Keeper, they can still be worth testing. And different metagames must be considered as well - many of the newer posters have weaker metagames.
3. Stop getting stuck in ruts. The previous two points are integral to this: if no new players are fostered, and no new deck ideas are considered, we will eventually have the same old boring junk all the time. When people like JP leave, they are not going to be magically replaced. Without encouraging new players, we are condemning ourselves to an eventual death spiral. The new ideas may not be the BEST, but they will encourage thought, posts and new life.
Unfortunately, I have already witnessed some of BDomina's downfall. When I stopped viewing it about seven months ago, I left in a time when there were many intesting topics to discuss, and many ideas circulating. When I came back a while ago, I could not even post on most of the popular threads because they dealt with obscure topics that are of little interest to a less experienced player like me. Wake up, people! We need new ideas! We need new life! We need to stop this senseless destruction of our community!
Stop focusing on the best threads, and start focusing on how to make the others better!
Earl
I have to agree with Nevyn. Although he stated it far better, I believe that it is important to:
1. Have more patience. Teaching new players and explaining ideas are some of the most fun things possible, but if people don't want to take the time to work with someone, there is going to be NOTHING achieved.
2. Consider new deck ideas more than variations on old ones. While tuning and testing decks are important, it is also important to receive new ideas. Keeper is not here because it was originally dismissed by the community! While most new decks are not as good as Keeper, they can still be worth testing. And different metagames must be considered as well - many of the newer posters have weaker metagames.
3. Stop getting stuck in ruts. The previous two points are integral to this: if no new players are fostered, and no new deck ideas are considered, we will eventually have the same old boring junk all the time. When people like JP leave, they are not going to be magically replaced. Without encouraging new players, we are condemning ourselves to an eventual death spiral. The new ideas may not be the BEST, but they will encourage thought, posts and new life.
Unfortunately, I have already witnessed some of BDomina's downfall. When I stopped viewing it about seven months ago, I left in a time when there were many intesting topics to discuss, and many ideas circulating. When I came back a while ago, I could not even post on most of the popular threads because they dealt with obscure topics that are of little interest to a less experienced player like me. Wake up, people! We need new ideas! We need new life! We need to stop this senseless destruction of our community!
Stop focusing on the best threads, and start focusing on how to make the others better!
Earl
Well, I'm sorry that you're upset JP. I disagree with you completely, however, just because someone isn't in the little BD T1 circle doesn't mean that they don't want to be a serious T1 player. I'm slowly accumulating duals and P9, and working on building decks. But I don't play the same things everyone else does, I find that to be tacky. Maybe that's your idea of "serious" T1, but the thing that makes T1 so great is that there is an enormous card pool, and you can build any one of a million decks, and if you build it right, just about any deck can compete. Maybe it won't be tier 1, maybe it won't be the next XLU, or the next OSE, or a better stompy or sligh. But just because a deck doesn't currently see tournament play doesn't mean it's not good, or that someone doesn't want to improve the deck and make it a viable archtype. When 5 out of 6 threads disappear within a couple hours of being posted, and strangely enough, they're usually the ones that don't deal with a current archtype, or a tournament report from a regular, or even off topic bullshit by one of the people in the little circle, then I think it's a load of shit. Sorry, that's how I feel, and if you don't like it, tough shit. Quite frankly, most of the regulars here, from morons like Random-Miser to good players like Matt D'Avanzo(sorry bro, I'm sure I'm murdering your name) are cocky and unapproachable. All of the regular posters on this mill think(correctly or not) that they are god... It's those people that ruin the game. If I wanted f*cking deck listings for tournament winning decks, I could find them elsewhere, at the NG website, or whatever. I want help with MY decks, the things that *I* come up with, and that's why people come here. But you leave, go, and don't look back. Because frankly, I agree that BD has gone to shit. You think it's because people complain about being 1984'd, I think it's because too many people get 1984'd. And Rakso, go ahead and delete this shit, I don't really give one flying fuck anymore. I remember a time when I used to email you with decks, looking for advice, because I looked up to you. Now, I don't give a rats ass what the fuck you think. There's a fine line as a mod between straining out extraneous crap and playing fucking god. You went over that line. I think I'll stick to MTGNews since I can't get T1 advice here without having it deleted before I even get to check for feedback.
Mikey your right that arrogance is foolish, but saying arrogance is foolish and then being blatantly arrogant is just stupid... probably.
Funny thing is that he's mad at people for being too arrogant to get interested in whatever it was that he posted. Hmmmm.
Let's not concentrate on the flames in this post, please. There's alot of good, well articulated thoughts that shouldn't be brushed aside along with the trash.
Why is that asking so much? I reply to other people's posts, giving my thoughts and suggestions.
JP, I like hearing your thoughts. Thanks for all the advice.
Mikey, you're the new-type-of-guy we want to welcome into the bd-groove. Just post nice respective ideas and you'll suddenly find yourself int the groove here. Maybe be less defensive?
Nevyn, you're right. Like you, I am pretty indifferent to whether or not a deck idea is posted here or in the Casual Mill. But, other people are not so indifferent. It seems really important to them to separate the area for top t1 decks from mediocre fun t1 decks. However, until the Casual Vs. Competitive mills are differentiated clearly the anxiety here will thrive.
Even then, there is the issue of posting compliance.
As you say, it all comes down to how we educate the new people on where to post. Let's respect one another in our interactions.
Obviously when new-guys like Mikey are reacting defensively, we're doing something wrong. How are we failing to promote constructive posting from new guys?
I suggest we tighten up the guidelines on what goes where. Then we can promote polite, respectful posts.
My 2 cents. No disrespect meant to JP.
8^)
Razor
JP,
Molot and I are from the same gaming store. I've only been coming here a few weeks longer than he has. I'm also sorry to see you go. you make up the brains of this outfit, with Rakso and Az being a given here. this site will definatly be worse off without you. Rakso is bathing in foolishness if he does nothing to convince you to stay. I wish you the best of luck in what ever you do.
peace and moxes
UFACTOR
P.S., let us know if you start posting anywhere else
Sorry i couldn't psot earlier, but still:
I'm going to miss you and your psots, even if i didn't know you very well or anything, you often had interesting ideas, etc.
Maybe that in some time, BD will ahve stabilized back to what it was when i first came here, that is an incredibly good place, even if a bit underground where people have interesting and intelligent conversation.
Bye JP.
I hope to see you again.
WE NEED EXPERIENCED PLAYERS.
Max, the Mana Drainer
well i can see the logic in your decision, JP. i for one agree 100% that bdominia is cluttered with steaming piles off meaningless shit sometimes. well you know where to find me if you wanna game any time. just check the chats in mirc. me and Fzoasis should be in there as often as possible. oh by the way, just want to let you know i like the stacker primer and have expanded it to my tastes. thanks for the start, man. i owe it to you ,man. its really workin out.well don't think less of me.....just think of me as a wondering scribe, a mindless philosipher,and a crazy motha focka. Peace...
I'm still hanging around as before but I'll try to keep my posts restricted only to what I find useful.
I think it's truly sad to see JP go, since besides one of BD already established experienced players he also worked on aggro decks like nearly nobody did. It may seem little to nothing to most of you, but for me it was always nice to see someone willing to test such good new deck ideas.
Hope you come back some day. Let it not be a good bye;)
I truly admire your work
Welcome back, Knight ;)
Actually, he worked on aggro-control.
w00t!
WB WK ^_^
JP, i really love stacker red.
farewell
live long and prosper