Beyond Dominia

Fragment_One (Keeper) def. Tir (Oath) 2-0

Beyond Dominia: The Type One Magic Mill: Type One Tournament of Champions V Messages (Please do not delete me Rakso, I want to LIVVVE!!!!): Fragment_One (Keeper) def. Tir (Oath) 2-0

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By Fragment_One (Frag) on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 01:09 pm:

Well, I have the Log for game one. So, here it is:

Tir says:'hiyo'
Fragment_One says:'what's up?'
Tir says:'not too much'
Fragment_One says:'wow.. this is my first ToC game'
Tir says:'really? well, gl'
Tir says:'I've never made t8'
Tir says:'but it's a great way to learn'
Fragment_One says:'good luck also.. Shall we roll?'
Tir rolled a 12, using a 20 sided die.
Fragment_One rolled a 13, using a 20 sided die.
Fragment_One says:'nice'
Fragment_One says:'I'll play'
Tir says:'heh'
Fragment_One drew 7 cards.
Tir drew 7 cards.
Tir says:'lovely'
Tir is shuffling library...
Tir drew 6 cards.
Fragment_One says:'keep.'
Tir says:'I guess I'll keep'
Fragment_One plays Underground Sea.
Fragment_One plays Zuran Orb.
It is now turn 2.
Tir plays Tundra.
It is now turn 3.

Fragment_One plays Tundra.
It is now turn 4.
Tir draws a card.
Tir plays Mox Ruby.
Tir says:'hmmmm'
It is now turn 5.
Fragment_One plays Wasteland.
Wasteland is tapped.
Fragment_One buries Wasteland.
Tir buries Tundra.
It is now turn 6.
Tir says:'oh, yeah'
Tir says:'this is lovely'
Fragment_One says:'eot..'
Tir says:''
Tundra is tapped.
Underground Sea is tapped.
Fragment_One plays Fire/Ice.
Fragment_One says:'Ice'
Mox Ruby is tapped.
Fragment_One buries Fire/Ice.
It is now turn 7
Fragment_One plays Merchant Scroll.
Tir says:'k'
Fragment_One moves Ancestral Recall from Fragment_One's library to tabletop.
Fragment_One moves Ancestral Recall from tabletop to Fragment_One's hand.
Fragment_One buries Merchant Scroll.
It is now turn 8.
Tir plays Wasteland.
It is now turn 9.
Fragment_One draws a card.
Fragment_One plays Ancestral Recall.
Tir plays Force of Will.
Tir removes Counterspell from the game.
Tir's life is now 19. (-1)
Fragment_One buries Ancestral Recall.
Tir buries Force of Will.
It is now turn 10.
Tir says:'why not MisD?'
Tir says:''
Tir plays City of Brass.
City of Brass is tapped.
Tir's life is now 18. (-1)
Mox Ruby is tapped.
Tir plays Sylvan Library.
Tir says:'?'
Fragment_One says:'ok..'
It is now turn 11.
Fragment_One draws a card.
Fragment_One plays Wasteland.
Tir says:'well, GG if you believe matt'
Wasteland is tapped.
Wasteland is untapped.
Tundra is tapped.
Wasteland is tapped.
Fragment_One plays Time Walk.
Tir says:'sure'
Fragment_One buries Time Walk.
It is the Untap Phase
Tundra is untapped.
Wasteland is untapped.
Fragment_One draws a card.
It is now turn 12.
Fragmnet_One says:'Wow. this is fricken great also..'
Tir is looking through top 3 cards of library...
Tir moves a card from Tir's library to Tir's hand.
City of Brass is tapped.
Tir's life is now 17. (-1)
Mox Ruby is tapped.
Tir plays Merchant Scroll.
Tir says:'?'
Underground Sea is tapped.
Tundra is tapped.
Fragment_One plays Mana Drain.
Tir says:'okay'
Tir buries Merchant Scroll.
It is now turn 13.
Mana Drain now has 2 counters. (+2)
Underground Sea is tapped.
Tundra is tapped.
Wasteland is tapped.
Fragment_One buries Mana Drain.
Fragment_One plays Mind Twist.
Fragment_One says:'4'
Tir says: 'nice'
Tir moves Multani, Maro-Sorcerer from Tir's hand to Tir's graveyard.
Tir moves Mana Drain from Tir's hand to Tir's graveyard.
Tir moves Oath of Druids from Tir's hand to Tir's graveyard.
Tir moves Holistic Wisdom from Tir's hand to Tir's graveyard.
Fragment_One buries Mind Twist.
It is now turn 14.
Tir is looking through top 3 cards of library...
Fragment_One says:'one second.. phone is ringing'
Tir moves a card from Tir's library to Tir's hand.
Tir says:'k'
Fragment_One says:'ok.. go ahead'
City of Brass is tapped.
Tir's life is now 16. (-1)
Mox Ruby is tapped.
Tir plays Gaea's Blessing.
Tir says:'?'
Fragment_One says:'one second..'
Fragment_One says:'ok..'
Tir moves Tundra from Tir's graveyard to tabletop.
Tir moves Merchant Scroll from Tir's graveyard to tabletop.
Tir buries Gaea's Blessing.
Tir moves Tundra to Tir's library.
Tir moves Merchant Scroll to Tir's library.
Tir is shuffling library...
Tir is shuffling library...
Tir draws a card.
It is now turn 15.
Fragment_One draws a card.
Fragment_One plays Volcanic Island.
Volcanic Island is tapped.
Fragment_One plays Gorilla Shaman.
Wasteland is tapped.
Tir buries Mox Ruby.
It is now turn 16.
Tir is looking through top 3 cards of library...
Tir moves Tundra from Tir's library to tabletop.
It is now turn 17.
It is now the Untap Phase.
Wasteland is untapped.
Volcanic Island is untapped.
Fragment_One draws a card.
Tundra is tapped.
Underground Sea is tapped.
Tundra is untapped.
Wasteland is tapped.
Fragment_One plays Demonic Tutor.
Tir says:'resp'
Tundra is tapped.
Tir plays Orim's Chant.
Volcanic Island is tapped.
Tundra is tapped.
Fragment_One plays Mana Drain.
Tir buries Orim's Chant.
Mana Drain now has 1 counters. (+1)
Fragment_One buries Demonic Tutor.
Fragment_One is looking through library...
Fragment_One moves a card from
Fragment_One's library to Fragment_One's hand.
Fragment_One is shuffling library...
Fragment_One stops looking through library.
Black Lotus is tapped.
Fragment_One buries Black Lotus.
Fragment_One says:'BBB'
Fragment_One plays Yawgmoth's Will.
Fragment_One buries Yawgmoth's Will.
Fragment_One moves Wasteland from Fragment_One's graveyard to tabletop.
Fragment_One buries Yawgmoth's Will.
Fragment_One moves Yawgmoth's Will from Fragment_One's graveyard to Fragment_One's removed from game pile.
Fragment_One moves Black Lotus from Fragment_One's graveyard to tabletop.
Black Lotus is tapped.
Fragment_One removes Black Lotus from the game.
Fragment_One says:'UUU'
Fragment_One moves Ancestral Recall from Fragment_One's graveyard to tabletop.
Fragment_One draws a card.
Fragment_One draws a card.
Fragment_One draws a card.
Fragment_One plays Mox Sapphire.
Fragment_One moves Merchant Scroll from Fragment_One's graveyard to tabletop.
Fragment_One is looking through library...
Fragment_One moves Fact or Fiction from Fragment_One's library to tabletop.
Fragment_One is shuffling library...
Fragment_One stops looking through library.
Fragment_One moves Time Walk from Fragment_One's graveyard to tabletop.
Mox Sapphire is tapped.
Wasteland is tapped.
Fragment_One removes Time Walk from the game.
Fragment_One removes Ancestral Recall from the game.
Fragment_One buries Mana Drain.
Fragment_One's life is now 19. (-1)
Fragment_One removes Merchant Scroll from the game.
Gorilla Shaman is tapped.
Gorilla Shaman is attacking.
Tir's life is now 15. (-1)
Underground Sea is untapped.
Tundra is untapped.
Wasteland is untapped.
Volcanic Island is untapped.
Gorilla Shaman is untapped.
Gorilla Shaman stops attacking.
Wasteland is untapped.
Mox Sapphire is untapped.
Fragment_One draws a card.
Fragment_One plays Tundra.
Gorilla Shaman is attacking.
Tir's life is now 14. (-1)
Underground Sea is tapped.
Tundra is tapped.
Wasteland is tapped.
Wasteland is tapped.
Fragment_One plays Fact or Fiction.
Tir is looking through top 5 cards of Fragment_One's library...
Fragment_One moves Morphling from Fragment_One's library to tabletop.
Fragment_One moves Stroke of Genius from Fragment_One's library to tabletop.
Fragment_One moves Mana Drain from Fragment_One's library to tabletop.
Fragment_One moves Dismantling Blow from Fragment_One's library to tabletop.
Fragment_One moves Underground Sea from Fragment_One's library to tabletop.

Fragment_One moves Morphling from tabletop to Fragment_One's hand.
Fragment_One moves Mana Drain from tabletop to Fragment_One's hand. Fragment_One moves Underground Sea from tabletop to Fragment_One's hand.
Fragment_One buries Fact or Fiction.
Fragment_One buries Stroke of Genius.
Fragment_One buries Dismantling Blow.
It is now turn 18.
It is now the Untap Phase.
Tundra is untapped.
It is now the Draw Phase.
Tir is looking through top 3 cards of library...
Tir moves a card from Tir's library to Tir's hand
Tir moves a card from Tir's library to Tir's hand.
Tir's life is now 13. (-1)
Tir's life is now 12. (-1)
Tir's life is now 11. (-1)
Tir's life is now 10. (-1)
Wasteland is tapped.
City of Brass is tapped.
Tir's life is now 9. (-1)
Tir plays Gaea's Blessing.
Tundra is tapped.
Volcanic Island is tapped.
Fragment_One plays Mana Drain.
Tir buries Gaea's Blessing.
Mana Drain now has 2 counters. (+2)
It is now turn 19.
It is now the Untap Phase.
Underground Sea is untapped.
Tundra is untapped.
Wasteland is untapped.
Volcanic Island is untapped.
Gorilla Shaman is untapped.
Wasteland is untapped.
Tundra is untapped.
Fragment_One draws a card.
Fragment_One plays Underground Sea.
Underground Sea is tapped.
Underground Sea is tapped.
Tundra is tapped.
Wasteland is tapped.
Tir buries Wasteland.
Wasteland is tapped.
Fragment_One buries Wasteland.
Tir buries Tundra.
Fragment_One buries Wasteland.
Fragment_One buries Mana Drain.
Fragment_One plays Morphling.
Tir says:'methinks that's game'

Tir says: 'gg'
Fragment_One says:'ok..'
Fragment_One says:'thanks..'
Fragment_One says:'that was kinda unfair.'
Tir says:'well, mana screw happens'
+ Tir is sideboarding (changes won't take effect until the start of the next game)

Game two can be summed up as:

Tir casts an early Oath. After much deliberation I decide to Force the Oath, pitching a Morphling (only blue card in my hand.) This turned out to be a spectacular play as I topdecked a creature and rode it to victory.

By Liam (Liam) on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 01:38 pm:

very strange indeed... Mind Twist goes through without question and plays Ancestral on 0 counter backup, yet he counters Merchant Scrol....

::perplexed::

By MoreFling on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 02:13 pm:

and most likely, they now learned something. And that's what this is all about.

By Fragment_One (Frag) on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 06:56 pm:

The Merchant Scroll Counter was so that he could not find his ancestral and cast it when I had a Mind twist in Hand. It also helped fuel the Mind Twist without burning the Lotus.

Any other questions? Thanks.

By Liam (Liam) on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 07:29 pm:

Should let Scroll (or any tutor) resolve, i beleive is the logic, so you can counter the tutor'd-for spell and they don't topdeck it later.

By Fragment_One (Frag) on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 08:05 pm:

That's not always true. Ask Rakso, or Azhrei or JP, and they'll tell you that there are situations where countering a tutor is not a bad play. In this situation it allowed me 2 mana Which i needed to fuel my Mindtwist and it prevented him from getting his Ancestral. If you want to test my skill as a player, then meet me in #bdchat. I'm sure that you will find that I'm pretty decent.

By Tir (Tir) on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 10:36 pm:

If you want to test my skill as a player, goldfish.

Two well played matches on Frag's side. The
weird thing is, I playtested this again today
vs Pox with 5 strips, sinks, etc, and didn't
have mana problems. Oh well. As MoreFling said,
I learned.

:b...

By JP 'Polluted' Meyer, the Archivist (Jpmeyer) on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 11:52 pm:

Quote:
Two well played matches on Frag's side. The weird thing is, I playtested this again today
vs Pox with 5 strips, sinks, etc, and didn't
have mana problems. Oh well. As MoreFling said,
I learned.

Everyone knows that the Apprentice shuffler is gay.

Quote:
That's not always true. Ask Rakso, or Azhrei or JP, and they'll tell you that there are situations where countering a tutor is not a bad play. In this situation it allowed me 2 mana Which i needed to fuel my Mindtwist and it prevented him from getting his Ancestral. If you want to test my skill as a player, then meet me in #bdchat. I'm sure that you will find that I'm pretty decent.

I counter tutors under the following conditions:

1) I need Drain mana
2) He uses Mystical and I have REB in hand
3) I expect that it'll get LoA/Obliterate
4) He uses Mystical EoT and he's playing Duress in his SB
5) He has Sylvan out and I assume that he mostly wants the reshuffle

By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 07:33 am:

Quote:
The Merchant Scroll Counter was so that he could not find his ancestral and cast it when I had a Mind twist in Hand. It also helped fuel the Mind Twist without burning the Lotus.

Of course I wouldn't mind burning Lotus on Mind Twist, but a question: Didn't he have Sylvan (I was wondering why he wasn't paying life vs Keeper)?

The logs were a bit painful to read through (split them by turn please?) but I gather Tir should've been in a much better position in game 1?

Without that Sylvan, I think Draining the Merchant Scroll wasn't unreasonable because you could guess Tir had no FoW, after going FoW, pitch Counterspell.

I think, though, that the Ancestral with no FoW backup should've been timed better. First, since it was kinda early in the game, I don't believe you could assume he had no more blue spells even if he had FoW. I mean, Ancestral for 2 counters is close enough to drawing 3 cards, but you didn't know his hand.

Second, that could've walked into Misdirection and you weren't desperate (you had the Mana Drain at the time, I assume).

By Matt the Great (Matt) on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 12:46 pm:

Wow, that was as fierce a beating as I've seen.

By Koen on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 02:43 pm:

Quoted: (How do I quotes like u ppl do? )
>I counter tutors under the following conditions:
>
>1) I need Drain mana
>2) He uses Mystical and I have REB in hand
>3) I expect that it'll get LoA/Obliterate
>4) He uses Mystical EoT and he's playing Duress in his SB
>5) He has Sylvan out and I assume that he mostly wants the reshuffle

I can agree with the first three, but with number 4 & 5, I definately would not counter the tutor.

By Tir (Tir) on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 02:49 pm:

Well, it was number 5. With Sylvan out and still
seeing no land, it was smart to counter. And
thanks for your support, Matt. :b

By Fragment_One (Frag) on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 03:37 pm:

Well, I must have edited it out of the logs, but another point to make that I have left a bit unclear and even mayve a bit confusing is that I topdecked the Lotus the turn I cast the Twist. So I wasn't expecting to have the extra 3 Lotus Mana when I drained the Merchant Scroll.

By Liam (Liam) on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 04:12 pm:

Hey, that was not an attack, just IMO a rather strange showing of priorities. You have to admit that in the sequence of Ancestral, Mindtwist, Merchant Scroll the Scroll deserves the least counter attention.

By Fragment_One (Frag) on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 07:27 pm:

I cast the Mindtwist. I cast the Ancestral. He cast the Merchant Scroll. What are you talking about Liam?

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