Humor: Saving us all a lot of time.

Beyond Dominia: The Type One Magic Mill: Humor: Saving us all a lot of time.

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By Azhrei (Azhrei) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 03:28 pm:

Just a little something D'Avanzo and I cooked up in our spare time-- this should solve a LOT of problems we've been having in debates lately.

You Are Wrong Because:


For your convenience, I have circled the brain malfunction(s) that most closely resemble(s) the one(s) you recently made on the topic of (fill in topic): __________________________


1. AMAZINGLY BAD ANALOGY

Example: Playing the Keeper mirror is like being in the Matrix and dueling with Zorro in your underwear.

2. FAULTY CAUSE AND EFFECT

Example: Keeper only wins because so many people play it.

3. I AM THE WORLD

Example: In my local card shop, everyone plays fat green creatures and straight burn. Therefore, decks like Keeper and combo only exist online because no one has the cards in real life.

4. IGNORING EVERYTHING SCIENCE KNOWS ABOUT THE BRAIN

Example: Your personal style means nothing. Just play a net deck.

5. THE FEW ARE THE SAME AS THE WHOLE

Example: Michelle Bush is a woman. Michelle Bush plays a lot of Magic. Women must play a lot of Magic.

6. GENERALIZING FROM SELF

Example: My R/G fatty deck beats my friend’s Keeper deck 4 in 5 games. Therefore, my deck beats Keeper 80% of the time.

7. ARGUMENT BY BIZZARE DEFINITION

Example: Aggro is not bad. It just loses to control and combo.

8. TOTAL LOGIC DISCONNECT

Example: If someone plays a Noble Panther, Keeper gets decked.

9. JUDGING THINGS WITHOUT COMPARISON TO ALTERNATIVES

Example: I run a Mox Diamond in Keeper. It’s a restricted mana producer.

10. ANYTHING YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND IS EASY TO DO

Example: Keeper isn't so hard to play. Just tutor for, and drop Abyss.

11. IGNORANCE OF STATISTICS

Example: Land Grant sucks in Stompy, even though it thins your deck, decreases the chance of drawing superfluous land, and gives you a non-creature, non-pump spell to pitch to Bounty of the Hunt.

12. IGNORING THE DOWNSIDE RISK

Example: I think Prohibit is a fine counter spell. What is someone going to do, cast Shivan Dragon?

13. SUBSTITUTING FAMOUS QUOTES FOR COMMON SENSE

Example: “There are no wrong threats” so I’ll use Ridgeback in Stompy.

14. IRRELEVANT COMPARISONS

Example: I am perfectly qualified to comment on the state of Vintage control. I play Type One every weekend with a totally illegal Necro deck.

15. CIRCULAR REASONING

Example: Brian Weissman told me understands control better than I do because he invented "The Deck," and that he was able to invent “The Deck” because he has a better understanding of control than I do.

16. INCOMPLETENESS AS PROOF OF DEFECT

Example: Keeper is no good because it loses to 4 resolved Meddling Mages and 2 Clones.

17. IGNORING THE ADVICE OF EXPERTS WITHOUT A GOOD REASON

Example: Sure, the best players on the board claim that this is why control wins, but me, I'm convinced it’s Mana Drain.

18. FOLLOWING THE ADVICE OF KNOWN IDIOTS

Example: Yamo says Keeper should run 3 Morphlings. That's good enough for me!

19. REACHING BIZZARE CONCLUSIONS WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION

Example: Keeper has stopped using as much white. I think it’s time to not run any removal in my control deck.

20. FAULTY PATTERN RECOGNITION

Example: Combo has won the last five tournaments here. I think I’ll play Sligh again.

21. FAILURE TO RECOGNIZE WHAT’S IMPORTANT

Example: My rating is over 1800, but I’ve never touched a breast and an entire city hates me.

22. UNCLEAR ON THE CONCEPT OF SUNK COSTS

Example: I’ll keep buying Pokemon cards because those little guys are bound to be popular again, and I can make the money back later.

23. OVER APPLICATION OF OCCAM’S RAZOR

Example: I would have won if the Keeper player hadn’t gotten lucky and topdecked Balance.

24. IGNORING ALL ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE

Example: I keep losing to Library of Alexandria. However, without a statistical analysis, I have no way of knowing if I need more land destruction. Therefore, I will continue to run only two Strip Mines.

25. INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME THINGS HAVE MULTIPLE CAUSES

Example: Control only wins because it can counter spells.

26. JUDGING THE WHOLE BY ONE OF ITS CHARACTERISTICS

Example: I hate getting my creatures countered by Force of Will. Banning Force of Will would be great for the environment.

27. BLINDING FLASHES OF THE OBVIOUS

Example: If Wizards reprinted the Power Nine, more people would play Vintage.

28. BLAMING THE TOOL

Example: I bought all the cards to play Keeper, but I still lose. Keeper must be dead.

29. HALLUCINATIONS OF REALITY

Example: White Weenie is a perfectly viable Tier One deck.

30. TAKING THINGS TO THEIR ILLOGICAL CONCLUSIONS

Example: Academy needs another draw 7. Let's run Diminishing Returns!

31. FAILURE TO UNDERSTAND WHY RULES DON’T HAVE EXCEPTIONS

Example: I can run only 25 mana sources in my Keeper deck if I use more basic land.

32. PROOF BY LACK OF EVIDENCE

Example: I haven’t played in years, but I’m sure I don’t need an Edict and Moat is still a main deck card.


By The Bahoo (Ben) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 03:34 pm:

Who is Michelle Bush?


By Steve O'Connell, King of Metaphors (Zherbus) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 03:42 pm:

Oh my god.

Funny as hell.

I hope people get pissed off and reply to this by the legion.


By Amos, Defender of the Moxless (Amos) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 03:43 pm:

Michelle bush is a female magic player, famous for breaking necro and stuffing the trix combo into a creatureless necro deck and getting everything in extended banned. this has been a history lesson.
Amos


By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 03:43 pm:

Why would ANYONE get pissed off at this? I mean it's HUMOR with absolutely NO basis in reality WHATSOEVER.


By Steve O'Connell, King of Metaphors (Zherbus) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 03:45 pm:

Michelle Bush= One of simply the most ugliest girls known to man, yet since she plays magic shes desireable to most and calls her self the 'Magic Diva' or some shit.

Shes incidentally the (ex?)girlfriend of Darwin Kastle, the mother of trix, and a your move games person.


By Jacob Orlove (Orlove) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 03:46 pm:

speaking of plagiarism, you ripped all the ALL CAPS titles from scott adams (author of dilbert) without giving him any credit (I believe they appeared in The Joy of Work). You thief!


By Azhrei (Azhrei) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 03:48 pm:

Oops, I credited Adams in some emails but on on BD-- yes, that was the exact list we were working from.


By Steve O'Connell, King of Metaphors (Zherbus) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 03:49 pm:


Quote:

Why would ANYONE get pissed off at this? I mean it's HUMOR with absolutely NO basis in reality WHATSOEVER.




It's been proven that in addition to lack of common sense, a lot of people like to look for things to get offended about. You don't seriously think they will be light hearted, do you?

By the way, my favorites:


Quote:


8. TOTAL LOGIC DISCONNECT

Example: If someone plays a Noble Panther, Keeper gets decked.

10. ANYTHING YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND IS EASY TO DO

Example: Keeper isn't so hard to play. Just tutor for, and drop Abyss.



By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 03:51 pm:

Duh, Yamo already proved there's no such thing as plagiarism in the other thread.


By Dandan (Dandan) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 03:57 pm:

Hey, I got lucky 13!!!

13. SUBSTITUTING FAMOUS QUOTES FOR COMMON SENSE

Example: “There are no wrong threats” so I’ll use Ridgeback in Stompy.

If I had no sense of humour I'd point out that a wrong threat (or non-threat) could be defined as a threat that just sits around looking like an enchantment waiting for the opponent to be kind enough to change it into something worthwhile.

Go Ridgebacks!! (And they do! After a couple of turns.....)

Couldn't we take the piss out of Vine Dryad here?

You missed one

33. TRUST US

Example. Doomsday deck


By Azhrei (Azhrei) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 04:00 pm:

That was like 8 months ago. Get over it.

That's also an imperative statement, not an action like all the other points. Please proofread.


By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 04:07 pm:

Really, guys, come on. The only people that should be upset about it are the bandwagon-jumping fools that fell for it and immediately started posting stories of turn 1-2 kills.


By Redman, Relentless Leader of Scrubs (Redman) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 04:07 pm:


Quote:

That was like 8 months ago. Get over it.




Now, now. Just becasue you aren't funny all the times you intend to be doesn't mean we can ever let you forget about it. :)

This, however, I must admit, is wonderful. Excellent work. :)


By Redman, Relentless Leader of Scrubs (Redman) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 04:10 pm:

Oh, I've got another:

34. THINKING LIFE IS FAIR

Example: With only 10 land in this deck, I'll never draw more than 8 of them!


By 3rd Wheel in Legend's Love Triangle (Yamo) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 04:13 pm:

"Yamo says Keeper should run 3 Morphlings. That's good enough for me!"

You might want to talk to whoever it was who posted the (first place) tournament report recently. Not only did he play a tri-Morph Keeper, but he specifically credited the decision to go to three for a good portion of his success.

The proof is in the pudding, after all.

This may make you guilty at least in part of your own #24 (ignoring anecdotal evidence).

You might want to consider adding:

33. MINDLESS APPEALS TO TRADITION OR CONSENSUS AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR CRITICAL THINKING

"Keeper has always run one or two Morphlings, therefore Keeper should never, under any circumstances, run more than two Morphlings."

Also, your example for "faulty cause and effect" may be in error if it is also intended to refer to comments I've made.

"Keeper only wins because so many people play it."

I never said anything of the sort. What I said was that Keeper is not GOOD because so many play it, it's good because it's good. It is, however, considered the BEST DECK PERIOD for this reason. If as many played another great deck (like rOSE, for example) it's a sure bet that popular opinion would swifty shift to indicate that rOSE was not only a good deck, but the best deck. The fact is that both are tier one and the illusion that one is BETTER than the other is just that, an illusion fostered by sheer numbers (more Keepers played = more Keeper wins when compared to the rarer rOSE). Both are, in fact, on equal footing.


By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 04:13 pm:

Oh, another example. Gee, one Red Blast, one Mis-D, and one FoW should be enough to stop Mikey P's first turn Ancestral.


By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 04:16 pm:

"Keeper only wins because so many people play it."

>>>I never said anything of the sort.

Gee, I guess you're one of those people who just think everything is always about you, huh. Do you also think the government is conspiring against you? I'll also have you know the Yamo in #18 was not you, but my uncle Yamo. So don't you feel silly now.


By 3rd Wheel in Legend's Love Triangle (Yamo) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 04:19 pm:

"Gee, I guess you're one of those people who just think everything is always about you, huh. Do you also think the government is conspiring against you? I'll also have you know the Yamo in #18 was not you, but my uncle Yamo. So don't you feel silly now."

Actually, it was because I said something very similar (replace "wins" with "is considered the best deck") earlier today, so I thought Az might have misread me by mistake.

If someone ever tried to make a case that it wasn't good at all, I sure missed it. That would have been a funny thread.


By Azhrei (Azhrei) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 04:19 pm:

I met his uncle once. The guy is a fucking asshole.


By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 04:26 pm:

True that.


By Nimrod, Huefr of Bogardan and keepe (Sylvester) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 05:40 pm:

Sylvester, posting for nimrod:


"Keeper has ALWAYS run one or two Morphlings, therefore Keeper should never, under any circumstances, run more than two Morphlings."

Yeah, when me and Random Miser desingned keeper back on, hmm 1999 when morphling appeared we decided no more than 2 Morphs should be used.. that's of course, considering Keeper has ALWAYS played with 2 Morphs as main win conditions..

OSE and Keeper get equal win numbers when facing each other when the players are Matt D'avanzo and Darren diBatista, great control players, I havent got the chance to play OSE as much as I would like, but, I feel that currently Keeper is slightly better then OSE (tough I like OSE the best), and that might just be beacause few people plays it, this should cause a deck to be better NOT by statistical numbers, but because when many people play the same deck,
any other change, are greatly increased, many many people plays Keeper, and this causes Keeper to be better because more ppl tweak with it.

After all, you dun say SuiBlack is better than OSE or Keeper beacause SuiBlack beats them often.


By SerraCollector (Collector) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 06:51 pm:

OMG thats hilarious. Obviously though number 21. is the best. I mean how many of you out there have never touched a breast LMAO :)


By Dante (Dante) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 06:54 pm:

"Why would ANYONE get pissed off at this? I mean it's HUMOR with absolutely NO basis in reality WHATSOEVER. " - that statement is pure humor in and of itself - for anyone who's read the Stompy thread with FBI, Kirdape, Matt, and Az, I think 30 out of 32 of those points get hit...

I don't know if anyone reads Bill Simmon's articles on espn.com (he's The Sports Guy), but this whole site ends up rating a 9 out of 10 on the Unintentional Comedy Scale....


By jpmeyer, keeper of ur mom (Jpmeyer) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 07:08 pm:

I'm kinda pissed off that Rakso deleted the original Noble Panther post. That was classic.


By BD Stompist (Fbi) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 07:11 pm:

Dante: Shit, which 2 did we miss?


By AHappyClown (Clown) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 09:25 pm:

I've touched many a breast. In fact, it's probably why my rating is so low. Damn breast-touching...takes up so much time...


By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 11:31 pm:


Quote:

Michelle Bush= One of simply the most ugliest girls known to man, yet since she plays magic shes desireable to most and calls her self the 'Magic Diva' or some shit.



Honestly, though, I didn't think she was one of the uglier ones based on her photos.


Quote:

33. TRUST US

Example. Doomsday deck



That would be appeal to authority. I don't know why Az is offended. :p


Quote:

"Yamo says Keeper should run 3 Morphlings. That's good enough for me!"

You might want to talk to whoever it was who posted the (first place) tournament report recently. Not only did he play a tri-Morph Keeper, but he specifically credited the decision to go to three for a good portion of his success.

The proof is in the pudding, after all.



Look, blue boy, you don't have the brains to talk about Keeper, remember?

Your "proof" just proved the rule and a few others.

No, it didn't count as appeal to authority.


Quote:

33. MINDLESS APPEALS TO TRADITION OR CONSENSUS AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR CRITICAL THINKING

"Keeper has always run one or two Morphlings, therefore Keeper should never, under any circumstances, run more than two Morphlings."



FoF was restricted. Get over it, and stop keeping placeholders.

Fair is fair, after all, and you can't ever win a fair fight.


Quote:

I'm kinda pissed off that Rakso deleted the original Noble Panther post. That was classic.



WHAT Noble Panther post? Look, I don't read all of Yamo's stuff before I delete it, okay.


By Matt the Great (Matt) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 11:48 pm:

Personally I see #7 the most on here and #28 most in real life.


By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 02:35 pm:

Rakso, it's the post that made JP stop coming here regularly. Some guy posted on a thread discussing a keeper deck, "Look, Keeper sucks, because if someone plays a Noble PAnther it gets decked." AND HE WAS SERIOUS!!! I am STILL trying to figure that one out.


By Mason Loring Bliss (Mason) on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 02:44 pm:

OMG!!! I just about busted a gut reading this!!! Does #32 apply to me specifically, or are there other dinosaurs about?

My favourite, though, is #21. :-)

Thanks for an amazingly good, extended, almost-to-the-point-of-asphyxiation laugh!


By Dozer (Dozer) on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 03:00 pm:

A masterly summary, if I may say so.

#21: Hands up (from wherever you've got them) those who have *no* rating...!

Dozer


By Matt D'Avanzo, the Sylvan Librarian (Matt) on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 03:21 pm:

Personally, I attribute my 1840-something rating to being a devout leg-man.


By Dandan (Dandan) on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 05:11 pm:

TRUST US

Azhrei said
'That's also an imperative statement, not an action like all the other points. Please proofread.

For your convenience, I have circled the brain malfunction(s) that most closely resemble(s) the one(s) you recently
made on the topic of (fill in topic):'

So now brain malfunctions must be actions? Appealing for anyone to trust the authors of the hilarious Doomsday caper must surely count as a brain malfunction.

Otherwise relatively funny..... especially considering the authors.


By SerraCollector (Collector) on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 08:10 pm:

Well, I have no rating, and I honestly also beleive it is due to my leg and breast touching. If only I had a third or fourth hand. :) The ageless question, Magic or Girlfriend, will there ever be a resolution? May God help us all. :)


By jpmeyer, keeper of ur mom (Jpmeyer) on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 12:18 am:

Silly SerraCollector, the answer to that question is both!


By Ufactor (Ufactor) on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 10:36 am:

yep, that about covers it...I only have one question: why do almost all the examples refer to Keeper?


By Azhrei (Azhrei) on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 10:56 am:

It's the best deck, we're most familiar with it, and people make the most mistakes talking about it.


By Freddie Williams II (Freddie) on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 03:08 pm:

is #32 in any way a shot at Weissman?

You guys are heartless bastards!

nah, you guys got hearts... bastards :)

-Freddie


By The Usual Stompist (Fbi) on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 03:16 pm:

I really expected more of them to be shots at me. Right now, I'd feel bad digging them, given the dearth of quality material they put up here.

I mean, it would have to actually be...I dunno...accurate (or at least funny)...for me to take any great umbrage. Originality also counts for something guys. Just ask Rakso what he thinks about InQuests Keeper deck...


By White Knight (White_Knight) on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 03:40 pm:

Weissman still uses (or used up till recently) Moat maindeck?!


By Freddie Williams II (Freddie) on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 03:42 pm:

um, i think the part of "i do not need edict"

is his, plus he took out abyss maindeck and SB... i think he runs moat sb and only STP and balance for further creature kill.

-Freddie


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