No way! Spring are the best-looking ones, even though Winters are ore valuable.
Count me in the camp of people who say add a Response to combo with your Factories.
By Gizzard (Gizzard) on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 04:20 am: > No way! Spring are the best-looking ones,
> even though Winters are ore valuable.
I dunno. Spring says Green to me. Winter is a nice icy Blue. Spring says, "My deck might cast Wild Mongrel!" Winter says, "My deck will relentlessly grind you down. I hope you weren't planning on getting lunch during this round."
> Personally I like Steve's idea: "4 Girls and
> A Lumpy, Red Monkey."
Who's Steve? I invented this beguiling phrase in another thread, and now, with Negator-like self-importance, I demand all who use it give me "props". Waiting for "props"! :-)
By Steve O'Connell, King of Metaphors (Zherbus) on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 05:46 am: Well, I am Steve.
It originated from my keeper list:
(Think: TV Sitcom)
"2 Guys, a girl...
2 Morphlings
1 Gorilla Shaman"
After some debate about what a Morphling is, its changed to 4 Girls and now the monkey is now lumpy and red...just like Sister Mary Rotten Crotch.
By Robb Williams (Robb) on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 08:25 am: Are you drunk? The fall factories are much better than spring. Winter still is the best for pure psychological intimidation value.
But in keeper, the best factories are the ones in your binder.
By Jacob Orlove (Orlove) on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 01:46 pm: Hah. No one has stumbled onto my secret tech: summer factories. Their sheer ugliness repels bolts and StPs better than teferi's response (which you might want in this deck)
By Do-Man, the Apprentice (Doman) on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 04:50 pm: Winter
Fall
Spring
Summer
Summer ones just suck.....They should only be 1/1 based on sucky-lookingness factor.
Funny thing though, I don't think I have a BB Summer Mishra...must finish collection....
By jpmeyer, keeper of ur mom (Jpmeyer) on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 06:31 pm: ur mom is a 1/1
By Green Knight (Greenknight) on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 06:57 pm: I like winter the best, it is just awesome, It's some X-mas beat down, I mean nothing says Merry Christmas like a winter factory :-) I do not like the Spring art, don't know exactly why it just doesn't do much for me...Summer has to be # 2 with the red mana symbol though.
By Do-Man, the Apprentice (Doman) on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 07:01 pm: lick ball sack, jp.
By Mako Satou, Rose among the thorns (Mako) on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 12:27 pm: Superman on Dope:
I agree, Tome is just way to slow I just tried it out. I will probably put Teferi's response as you suggestedin that slot. Since it does draw cards and protects Mishra's.
Matt:
Finally someone likes the Spring Mishra's XD. Most of the people that I know liket her Winter ones. BOOO. Winter is like the dead season. Spring is so nice and pretty and genki with everything blooming 
I'm adding Response instead of the slow book.
I have to say you all think of such silly deck names. I admit I like to think of Morphlings as female as well although Shapeshifters are mostly thought of as genderless. I named the deck way back before I added Gorilla Shaman.
I do not like the Summer Mishra either. The Winter one is ok but I have no clue why so many people like it so much. I have to look at the Fall one again but Fall can be pretty with all the leaves changing color.
By Steve O'Connell, King of Metaphors (Zherbus) on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 12:36 pm: The winter mishra's look nice in a black deck where everything else is dead.
By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 12:39 pm: Damn, I missed this. Now all I need is the Iron Chef + Girlfriend + D'Avanzo conversation back. ;)
Mako: Masti has been treating you well, eh?
By Mattdog (Mattdog) on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 01:50 pm: i like the picture from Wizards School cut out of such a bad card and put on the mishra's. And bam u got a much better more productive factory
By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 06:16 am: Wait... isn't 1 Masti, 2 Morph and 2 Factory excessive?
That second Morph could be an StP.
By Steve O'Connell, King of Metaphors (Zherbus) on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 06:53 am: I dont know if I personally like masticore in this deck myself. The deck has man similaritys to OSE, and even Az cut cores from the deck last I knew.
Maybe I missed this somewhere along the way, but have you ever considered teferi's response?
By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 06:57 am:
Quote:I dont know if I personally like masticore in this deck myself. The deck has man similaritys to OSE, and even Az cut cores from the deck last I knew.
It can't be similar to OSE... it has green and white. :p
By Steve O'Connell, King of Metaphors (Zherbus) on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 08:06 am: Heh.
Other than the core maindeck, I really like her version though I would never...ever feel comfortable running only 3 underground sea.
I've been testing rOSE a lot lately too, and while I like how it plays. I guess the real question here is 3 Color Keeper? Or 5 Color OSE? :P
;) Everyone else does it, I figured I just wouldn't be a bdominia guy if I didn't say the most over used comment of 2002.
By Mako Satou, Rose among the thorns (Mako) on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:15 pm: Rakso:
Masticore is very good in most of the agressive match ups. Against sligh you just win unless they have an Incinerate since their creatures all have 1 toughness. Against weenie Zoo its also really good killing most of their creatures quickly. Its really good against white weenie since most of their creatures are 1 or 2 toughness. Masticore not so good against black because of Hymm and Hyppie and Stompy cause Stompy is so fast and they can over run him with Rancor and giant growths. Also against control it is not so good but you can pitch things like the Abyss, extra land and removal spells you don't
need at the time.
Rakso you silly goose cutting down to one Morphling against control decks is not good at all. As the old adage goes Play 2 Serra Angels in case one dies or you have to plow one for life. Well now it is play two Morphlings in case one dies or you have to pitch one to Force of Will. Back then you had mirror kill as well as fireball so the win conditions hasn't changed much.
Steve:
Masticore is very good being the Moat that attacks.
If you played control since the old days the design of the deck is not unreasonable at all. 2 Serra Angel = 2 Morphling, 2 Moat = 1 Abyss, 1 Masticore.
I am testing Teferi's Response I cut the Jayemdae Tome for it the book was just too slow.
3 Underground Sea is fine. Its not like you have to Duress turn 1. Sometimes land kill can be annoying but thats why I have Sacred Ground.
By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 10:40 pm:
Quote:Rakso you silly goose cutting down to one Morphling against control decks is not good at all. As the old adage goes Play 2 Serra Angels in case one dies or you have to plow one for life. Well now it is play two Morphlings in case one dies or you have to pitch one to Force of Will. Back then you had mirror kill as well as fireball so the win conditions hasn't changed much.
Just that you look like you're playing OSE style since you have more threats than usual. You also have only two spot removal cards.
By Matt D'Avanzo, Paragon of Vintage (Matt) on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 06:19 am: Instead of the SB Sacred Ground, I would rather SB Teferi's Response #2. There is only one good landkill deck in type I (Voids) and Response is just a better card overall.
Really the decks that threaten you most with mana denial are other Keepers, Sligh, and Suicide. Response in infinitely better in any of those matchups since A) you can easily get nailed with landkill early and play ground after the barrage of sinks/strips is over. B) landkill might not be the threat that pops out of their deck (damn that whole "never a wrong threat" theory). In any situation where Teferi's Response is not useful it can at least feed a pitch counter.
I would only want a SG against a dedicated landkill deck that will have a consistent stream of LD effects throughout the game.
On a sidenote, I really, really want to play with Response (and one extra in the SB), but that would force me to add Mishra's...and I just hate what they do to the manabase.
By Mako Satou, Rose among the thorns (Mako) on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 02:32 pm: Rakso:
I really don't see it as having any more threats then in the old days. Before you had 2 Serra Angel, 1 Mirror Universe, 1 Fireball/Kaervek's Torch as the win conditions. So I have 2 Morphling and 2 Mishras. 2 Moat = 1 Masticore % 1 Abyss. So what if the former Moat can attack too XD.
I wouldd like to fit in a Swords to Plowshares but cuting down to 1 Morphling seems not good at all and is a definate disadvantage in control match ups.
Matt:
There are a bunch of land kill decks where I am so Sacred Ground is good. My bf plays void and so do a couple other people around here. There is this red green land kill deck too with some of the new cards.
I will try out Response as I stated before. It might be good to have a second in the sideboard since you do not always draw it. I just don't have as much time to play Magic these days. Last weekend was Anime Central and this weekend will be Fanime so I will not have played Magic in 2 weeks.
You should try out Mishra's they hurt your mana base only a little. You lose one Wasteland and one Underground Sea for 2 Mishra's Factories. With many mono colored decks out there you really do not miss the Wasteland at all. Having one less Underground Sea hasn't been that much of a big deal. Its not like you need 10-11 black mana sources to cast Duress first turn.
Having an alternate win condition that is not counterable is amazing. They are also 3/3 blockers which help against agressive decks where most of the creatures are small and killable by a 3/3
By CooberP, the Aura Fracturer of B2Bs (Cooberp) on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 03:09 pm: Moat doesn't cost you a card a turn. I'm testing Living Wish fetching Core and it's looked pretty good to me...
By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 08:37 pm:
Quote:I will try out Response as I stated before. It might be good to have a second in the sideboard since you do not always draw it. I just don't have as much time to play Magic these days. Last weekend was Anime Central and this weekend will be Fanime so I will not have played Magic in 2 weeks.
I agree there and think a couple of them that act as Ancestral #2 and #3 give you a stronger early game boost than Sacred Ground can.