Wishes - (near) oficial wording at magicthegathering.com

Beyond Dominia: The Type One Magic Mill: Wishes - (near) oficial wording at magicthegathering.com

By White Knight (White_Knight) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 04:34 am:

There's a talk about the wishes at magicthegathering.com:


I don't know how many of you already seen it, or if the wording was ever cleared, but I suppose we can take Mark Rosewater's word for something as close as the oficial wordings.

"In casual play, this card can come from anywhere (and I do mean anywhere) including cards that started in your deck but were removed from the game. In tournaments, the wishes are restricted to cards in your sideboard or out-of-play cards that started in your deck."

So this pretty much means that burning wish CAN get will back.

By Matt D'Avanzo, Paragon of Vintage (Matt) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 04:30 pm:

Oh, this means my Keeper deck stands a good chance of having its mana all messed up. I was kind of hoping they'd suck just so I wouldn't have to deal with this headache.

The white wish would have been so awesome if it was a realistic casting cost. COP: Red game one?

By Jacob Orlove (Orlove) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 06:15 pm:

yawgmoths will/other combo card turn 2?

By Sylvester (Sylvester) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 06:51 pm:


I think we're gonna see some cute combos soon!

By Bo (Bo) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 06:51 pm:

Hmm so you can play with 4 Time Spirals in an Academy deck now? Or in an underworld dreams deck which was just BEGGING for another draw 7? Fun (well not for agro, but hey...)

By White Knight (White_Knight) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 07:05 pm:

You could play 4 spirals in academy before, as long as you had them on the SB. Of course that if this is the ruling for academy... you can pack 4 burning wish, use a spiral and use it again... and again...

But the deck is already so tight, that what would you take to make room for the wishes?

By Tracer Bullet, Voice of Reason (Tracer) on Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 12:08 am:

Guys guys guys.......Don't start thinking about using more than 1 restricted card between main and board......You cannot have more than 1 of any restricted card, main and board combined.

By Jacob Orlove (Orlove) on Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 12:13 am:

However, if the card removes itself (Time Spiral) you can fetch it multiple times with the wish.

By Gzeiger, not a paragon (Gzeiger) on Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 12:51 am:

I might possibly put the Timetwister in the board with the Wishes (Spiral is too expensive to be able to really help the early stages when combined with the Wish's own mana cost). Yawgmoth's Will would probably earn a spot in the board then as well, and possibly an Overmaster (janky, but a sorcery that's fairly comparable to a Pyroblast for the deck's purposes).

That all requires some testing and will likely be a bad idea, as Matt claims, but I think it's worth a look. It's certainly interesting.

By Tracer Bullet, Voice of Reason (Tracer) on Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 01:07 am:

You're correct, Orlove. But then again, if you're casting Timespiral, you're usually about to win anyways.

By Ufactor (Ufactor) on Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 09:52 am:

too bad morality shift costs like 5BB

By CooberP, the Aura Fracturer of B2Bs (Cooberp) on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 10:24 am:

Living Wish is an amalgam of three earlier cards. They are Ring of Ma'ruf, Crop Rotation, and Eladamri's Call. It shares the Ring's ability to bring a card from outside the game into your hand. Under the DCI tournament rules, this includes cards that have been removed from the game (such as a creature that has been removed via Swords to Plowshares) and cards in your sideboard.

By CooberP, the Aura Fracturer of B2Bs (Cooberp) on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 10:28 am:

This leaves Type I. Will Living Wish eventually be restricted or banned? It's hard to say, but given that almost every vaguely playable tutoring effect (including Crop Rotation) has been restricted in this format, I'd get my time in now to enjoy tutoring out my Library of Alexandria from my sideboard.
(same article)

Boarding LoA or Academy seems a bad idea to me...what do you all think?

By MattB (Mattb) on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 12:13 pm:

CooperP, I think its a great idea in certain decks. I generally play Library in Zoo decks, because of the Draw 7s. Since Zoo plays out its hand though I find its often not as useful as in other decks. With Living Wish, I can tutor for the Library (or Academy or Wasteland, etc) when I'm in a position to abuse it, and that opens a slot for an additional colored mana source. Of course that presumes I can make room for the Wish itself.

By Mako Satou, Rose among the thorns (Mako) on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 03:38 pm:

The Wishes are still not very good even if you can get removed from game cards. Usually one Yawgmoth's Win wins you the game. There usually isn't a need to do it again. If you intend on using the Green Wish to pull either Shaman or Morphling from your board it is just silly having to tutor to get a Shaman. Also if you Tutor to get shaman and have to pitch your only main deck Morphling you are out of luck if you are playing standard keeper.

By Jacob Orlove (Orlove) on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 03:43 pm:

not if you also run the wish that can fetch living wish back again, to get morph back :)

By Gzeiger, not a paragon (Gzeiger) on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 04:32 pm:

I really can't see playing Living Wish in Zoo. It's true the Library is often dead, but the Wish costs three mana and doesn't affect the board. What do you do with it when the Library isn't an attractive target? Make a Serendib Efreet for 4UG?

By Dozer (Dozer) on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 03:57 pm:

Where do you all put your Wishes in Keeper? We already saw some ideas when the Wishes came up first, and we have JP's Keeper w/ Holistic Wisdom to take the most advantage of Living Wish and Burning Wish.

I for one prefer to have two Morphlings main, since one is too fragile, and replacing one with Living Wish restrains the utility of the Wish too much.

Because: If you only have 1 Morph and Living Wish, the Wish is always set up as the back-up plan to provide a win condition once Morphling #1 has been Balanced, Edicted, Kegged (yes, it happens!) or REB'ed away.
If you have two Morphs AND Living Wish, you'll be far better off, because you can use the Wish more freely, not longer fearing to burn it away early in case you need it later to win. (Was that too complicated? Anyway...) The slot I propose to use for Living Wish is that of Vampiric Tutor.

I know that most of the Paragons have cut it already, but people like me still play with it (and like it). Replacing it with Living Wish, though, seems not like a bad idea. Having all necessary win conditions main already gives you access to a wider range of options:
- another back-up win condition (Masticore, maybe Negator or Mishra's Factory)
- access to all animalic tools (Miner (although it's dishonorable at times :p ), Shaman, Rootwater Thief, Wall of Razors)
- access to Tolarian Academy when you need it without it clogging up your mana base

A possible sideboard could look like:
1 Masticore
1 Dwarven "Dishonorable" Miner
1 Gorilla Shaman
1 Rootwater Thief
1 Wall of Razors (The Walking Moat)
1 Druid Lyrist (need more enchantment kill?)

1 Tolarian Academy (just in case)
1 Mishra's Factory (never forget that Living Wish can fetch lands, too)

+ 7 other goodies from the old crowd (REB, Fracture, Response...)

I'd never SB Library, though. It's too important.
You could add Negqator, just for fun. Btw, has anyone ever considered to SB in Negator for Morphling against Mono-U? I did not, but it sounds like fun.


By Jeff (Jeff) on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 04:18 pm:

I have the perfect deck idea... you confuse your opponents with 2 burning wishes... Its just like the movies!!! Wishing for more wishes!

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