T1 at Neutral Ground NY?

Beyond Dominia: The Type One Magic Mill: T1 at Neutral Ground NY?

By Gizzard (Gizzard) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 12:36 am:

I see it on the June schedule, but I haven't seen any tournament reports or even excited Legend-spew about T1 at NGNY. Whats up? Is anyone still playing there or did the scene dry up?

By CrazyCarlWinter (Carlw) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 10:09 am:

Speaking of which, when is the next $250 Type 1 at NG:NY? I'm going to be making a trip to the city some time this summer and I'm hoping to plan it with some time set aside to type 1 it up

By Dave Kaplan, JSS Extrordinaire (Dave) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 12:31 pm:

The attendance has been so low that they either reduce it to $150 or they don't have em =(
None scheduled for June

By Nevyn, the Village Idiot (Nevyn) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 01:11 pm:

I dont much care as most NGers play silly uncompetitive 5 colour decks that scoop to noble panther :)

By AHappyClown (Clown) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 03:16 pm:

Yeah, I'm thinking about tooling on down there too. I don't really care about the prize though.

If there's going to be a "$150" Type 1 in July, we may be able to rally the upstate folk for an invasion.

By Matt D'Avanzo, Paragon of Vintage (Matt) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 11:21 am:

Magic? Oh...my....God...that is SO early 90s.

By Mako Satou, Rose among the thorns (Mako) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 02:52 pm:

Ai yai yai, Magic?? People still play that? I thought that game died in 1999. Everyone plays Yugi-oh and Harry Potter here. XD

Just kidding.

The scene probably dried up because people realized what a hive of scum and villiany Neutral Ground is. $7.00 Admission just to play Magic is absurd. Many of the people there are nasty and the place is really dirty. Not to mention they have the highest singles prices I have ever seen.

They can not keep ripping people off forever.

Trips into New York City are also relatively time consuming and expensive since most of us do not live in New Yuk City because it is a major rip off to live there.

Every time they have held a $250 tournament it usually is on a bad weekend where there is another major event magic related or otherwise going on somewhere else. That also decreases the people who come.

By Milton (Milton) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 05:02 pm:

They really charge $7 to get in? Damn, that's nuts.

By Jacob Orlove, aspiring paragon (Orlove) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 05:48 pm:

Well, iirc, you can buy $20 worth of product to get in free, but they overcharge by at least $7 on most stuff anyway.

By FeverDog (Feverdog) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 07:13 pm:

OMG, admission?? You have to be fucking kidding me. I would spit in the guys face. Its just completely ridiculous, its not like your going to see a movie or a sporting event, you just wanna play magic for christ's sake. Truly unbelievable.

By Nevyn, the Village Idiot (Nevyn) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 11:18 pm:

I would agree with that sentiment until i tried to keep a giant gaming shop afloat in New York City.

The rent must be out of this world.

By Gizzard (Gizzard) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 02:27 pm:

Well, thats too bad. But I suspected as much since there hadnt been much talk lately about it. So what are all the NY Paragons doing to keep their game sharp? ;-)

By Matthew (Matthew) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 04:28 pm:

There's no admission fee at NG anymore.

By Dave Kaplan, JSS Extrordinaire (Dave) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 04:32 pm:

BDM eliminated the admission after 9/11, and Matt Blank followed his policy. I doubt there ever will be admission again

By LambChopNYC (Lc) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 01:30 am:

I have been unable to play at NG as often as I would like and used to. There is both a friday and Sunday event at 4:00PM for T1. Admission into the store and the T1 is free for both. It is however good sence to spend some money in the store though, in NYC it is the only place that holds T1 so show the store some thanks for the T1 support. I have almost all the magic cards I need but I still buy minies to kick in my share.

Perhaps if we make it to these Friday and Sunday events it will increase the likelyhood of another BIG $ tourney soon. I know many of you can't make it down on a regular basis but a letter campaign requesting a BIG $ tourney may also help those events return sooner or later. When this event does return, MAKE SURE YOU ATTEND, that is the best sign of support we can give for those events.


By LambChopNYC (Lc) on Monday, June 03, 2002 - 03:15 pm:

Hey what do you know, I won this Sundays T1 tourney. I'll write a report in the next day or three.


By AHappyClown (Clown) on Monday, June 03, 2002 - 06:34 pm:

So let me get this straight...

There were 2 Type 1 tournaments, one on Friday, and one on Sunday?

Is this normal? If so, I think I may come down to the city for a weekend. I need to rumble with real Keeper players...

By CooberP, the Aura Fracturer of B2Bs (Cooberp) on Monday, June 03, 2002 - 06:58 pm:

There are t1 tourneys every friday and sunday, usually around 8-10 people, sanctioned.

By Will, the Walking Dude (Walking) on Monday, June 03, 2002 - 07:48 pm:

the hard core keeper field is often only there on sundays. there are people there on friday, and often a few good keeper players, but by and large the feild is much stronger on sundays.

By LambChopNYC (Lc) on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 06:15 pm:

LambChopNYC reporting as T1 tournament champion at Neutral Ground New York, June 2nd 2002.

Before you go any further I should inform you that I did not participate in this tournament with the intentions of writing a report on it. Please excuse the poor quality. I should also mentioned the regular top T1 players did not participate and I was the lucky person in regards to pairing leading to the finals.

It has been especially pleasant to play lately since I have had to drastically cut down on the days I can attend a tournament these days. Sunday afternoon, I had some money I could afford to waste(which is rare for me these days) so I choose to head over to Neutral Ground and compete in the only format I like. Admission to enter Neutral Ground and the T1 tourneys are free but I always want to buy something when I drop by. I believe that because the store supports a format I can’t play anywhere else, It is my duty to help support the store in return by spending some money there. This is especially true since the store actually loses money on the T1 tourneys. At this point I have close to all the magic cards I need and don’t spend much on cards anymore but I at least pick up something, usually I get some miniatures.

The Friday and Sunday T1 tourneys are scheduled to begin at 4:00 but they are commonly a little late(so if you can’t make 4:00, run over and you might get lucky). This is often the case on Sundays when some of the usual T1 players are competing in the t2 Grudge Match and have a chance to do well. Top T1 players Eric W. and Vin P. did well this week in t2 and elected to forgo entry to the T1. Other top T1 players Matt D. and Rob W. fail to appear. So, the best four Keeper players who consist of the regular metagame of NG are out.

What are you still reading this for, I just told you for the second time that the regular metagame didn’t even participate this past weekend. Legend and Negator also failed to show. Well, if you are that desperate for a NGNY T1 report, read on.

It was getting close to 5:00 and we still had not begun. Eric and Vin at this point already choose to pass up but the store wanted to wait until it could get more players before beginning. At this point I began asking any players I did not see in the t2 to join. I told them that in all likely hood they would get their ass blown out of the water playing a t2 deck in T1 but that they would be doing a favor for the rest of the T1 players. Three people were nice enough to join up. Now the store began the tourney with seven players and let everyone there know that there was still one spot left for a late entry if anyone wanted. During the finals I learned that the tourney was sanctioned with eight people. Remember, it is usually easier to get a T1 going on Sundays but the four most common T1 players were out.

Playing Keeper. I choose not to list the full deck contents and sideboard because I am constantly changing a few cards by what I expect at each individual tournament.

Round 1
Sorry young man, I forgot your name.
This was a young kid new to the game who only joined because I requested him to for the sake of getting things started. He was playing a bad R/G deck the type of which you would expect to see a seventh edition precon deck to look like. This wasn’t Kird Apes, Skyshroud Elite and lightning bolts. It was Grizzly Bears, Lava Ax and Trained Org. Despite playing a slow deck in comparison to a true T1 deck, he somehow managed to win game one. I don’t remember the problem my deck had but a decent number of his 2/2s for 2 mana hit the board before I could counter and I never got enough creature control. Than at seven life I forgot the spend six mana off a Manadrain and burned down to one life. A grizzly had my forgetful head for lunch. He thought he won round one and than I informed him that these matches are two out of three. I won game two and three but the match took so long that I almost ran out of time. In the process I attracted a crowd wondering what was taking so long for a powered Keeper to beat this bad deck played by an inexperienced player. I’ll tell you what took so long, having only one source of colored mana for nearly the entire third game. Finally I establish control and my win condition. With time running out, I reveal my hand showing at least four counters, and a fact or fiction. I informed him that at this point things have become hopeless for him and he was nice enough to concede. I was embarrassed it took me so long and I lost a game but I felt better when another good player told me during game three that I had to win because his deck was also unprepared for such an unorthodox deck in competitive T1.

Round 2
I’m just horrible with names so I forgot this teen’s name as well.
This teen was another inexperienced player who only joined the T1 by my request. This teen was playing a decent but not good t2 R/G deck. I won this match two games to zero in only a quarter of an hour. There was a chance for him to win one of the games thanks to a foul up I made but his earlier mistakes prevented him from taking advantage. There was one turn early on when he neglected to attack. Later I casted a Diabolic edict when I should have played a swords to Plowshares and I took more damage than I could have. I ended up at one life and would have been dead had he remembered to attack every turn.

I meet Will who in the past played Turboland and beat me each time we met, today however he is playing mono Black. I ask if he would like to take five minutes to discuss an agreement for the prize and he accepts. In an easy negotiation we were both happy with we decided he would get Fifteen Credit, enough to get the extra Nantuku Shade his deck needs and I end up with ten credit along with the Sanctioned points. We also have the time to play and do so to see how things would have worked out. I tell him he is free to play the extra Nantuku Shade as well. We both agree to play a tight game because that is how we prefer to play(though I try to go easy on new players as I did the first two rounds). We both made a mistake or three between the two games I took to win. The only truly critical mistake was by Will deciding to go for early damage over disruption. Had he hit me with his Hymn to Torouch early, he nearly would have crippled me. Instead, I killed his creatures and mind twisted all the cards out of his hand. I saw no land destruction and little discard but a considerable amount of different creatures in game one. This led me to think he may be playing suicide rather than disruption and I sideboarded accordingly. In Game one I had a first turn COP:Black. Will felt that was likely game but chose to play on. A few turns later he pulled off some great maneuver, sorry but I can’t remember what. I began to question how this game would end. I find out this game that he is packing land destruction and a regular amount of discard. After a few more rounds I reestablish control and win the series.

Props go out to:
The three players who signed up to give us T1 enthusiasts a tournament.

My team members Matt D, Rob W, Eric W, Jesus T, Vin P, Steven S who have helped me become so much better than I would be without them. Also for giving me reason to play Magic after my Bronx friends quite.

Neutral Ground for supporting T1.

The quality T1 adversaries for giving my team and I someone to better ourselves against.

Richard Garfield for creating this spectacular game.

Wizards for bringing it to us.

Dan Frazier for drawing pretty pictures of Jewelry other players admire us for owning.

Whoever designed my favorite cards: Incinerate, Lightning Bolt, Cursed Scroll, Ancestral Recall, Soltari Guerrillers and the most important, REAL DUAL LANDS.

Bryant for introducing me to this cardboard crack Thanksgiving of 95.

Adam for getting all my Bronx friends into it which is when and why I really began to get into this game.

Other magic stores I played T1 at that I would name if you STILL held T1.

That was a bit extensive. I plan to thank all of you again when I write a report for a BIG tournament I win but wanted to thank you now in case that takes a while.

Slops to anyone who can go play T1 but chooses to do some junk instead.


By Jacob Orlove, aspiring paragon (Orlove) on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 08:18 pm:


Whoever designed my favorite cards: Incinerate, Lightning Bolt, Cursed Scroll, Ancestral Recall, Soltari Guerrillers and the most important, REAL DUAL LANDS.

Well, Garfield was responsible for the real bolt, the real duals, the ancestral, and the scroll (to try to bring more bluffing into the game...the idea was you'd scroll naming counterspell :))

I don't know who gets credit for the other cards, though.

By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 09:48 pm:

Send that report to Star City!

By LambChopNYC (Lc) on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 10:43 pm:

Your joking right?

You don't really think it is that good do you?


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