Beyond Dominia: The Type One Magic Mill: TOC6?

By Redman, Relentless Leader of Scrubs (Redman) on Monday, June 03, 2002 - 11:54 pm:

Now that we have a final result for the 5th toc, will there be another? With the BD community fragmenting a bit, it might be difficult to organize, but conversely, could help give an outside source of cohesion if this board suddenly quit on us.

This is basically just to send out a test to see how much interest there is.

If there aren't any takers for TO, I'd volunteer my services as a tourney organizer.

By CF (Cf) on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 07:23 am:

I can do another one, on the following terms:

1. You enter by -email address as nick-. This way, people can find each other easily.

2. Both players report who won and if they drop or not. Failure to report means you're dropped.

This means I can send out pairings etc on email (with link to some URL where everything is posted) so that everyone can stay on top of things. It also means the ToC will survive if BD goes down.

Things I'm flexible on:
- One or two week rounds (or 10 days)?
- Someone else (outside the tourney) should have the decklists - I want to play :o)


By Nevyn, the Village Idiot (Nevyn) on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 11:14 am:

Personally, I would like to see more scheduled one day tourneys (essentially big minis) as they take less to organise and are less likely to get derailed. I realise time zones complicate this, but I think that it is the best approach.

By CTThespian (Ctthespian) on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 02:31 pm:

I wouldn't mind finally doing the TOC. I've been thinking about it since 4 and 5.

On a side note: How much longer can we expect BD to be around?


By Nevyn, the Village Idiot (Nevyn) on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 02:58 pm:

last we heard , the server space was no longer being paid for ... so anytime

By Gzeiger, not a paragon (Gzeiger) on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 05:05 pm:

Speaking of big minis... I plan to run one in #apprentice on Thursday about 12:00 PST (GMT-8 I think). If anybody wants to stop by, fell free :)

By Tracer Bullet, Better than Spiff (Tracer) on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 05:46 pm:


By Mako Satou, Rose among the thorns (Mako) on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 05:46 pm:

I have a web server available which hosts my fansubbing group's website. I can board for us to talk Type 1 Strategy and host primers on there if BD really is going away soon. I just do not want to pay who ever owns this domain for the domain.

I typically can not play in the mini tourneys because they usually are at a time when I am out or I can not sit in front of a computer for that long but I would be interested in playing in TOC6. Hopefully it is easier to contact and play opponents this time.

By Sylvester (Sylvester) on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 06:42 pm:

Maybe make the TOC be based on 6/8-players pools, and then taking the best/top 2. I think it could be easier to manage.

By Will, the Walking Dude (Walking) on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 08:36 pm:

It might be worthwhile to split it up by time region and then have the top few people from each region go into top 8. Even though this would give the advantage to those in regions with less players it might still be better. I know lots of people who had to drop out of or not play in previous T1TOCs because the got paired agaisnt someone from europe and couldn't stay up till 400 am since they had a job.

By PsychoCid (Cid) on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 09:21 pm:

Will's idea sounds neat/interesting, if not workable. CF: Not that you wouldn't already, but put some thought into that, eh? :)

By Redman, Relentless Leader of Scrubs (Redman) on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 10:28 pm:

So, you think we could compile a list of people who want to enter, but along with the normal information, we give time zones? That way we could set it up so that you don't have to play someone who is more than +/-3 zones away or something for at least the first few rounds.

Email as nick is a very good idea, finsgin out how to contact your opponent was a fairly difficult problem the past few times.

Actually, we might want to make up a mailing list of entrants, to make it easier to announce round deadlines and such.

I think 10 days is reasonable for a round. A week sometimes isn't enough, and two week rounds result in the tourney being forgotten about by the 3rd or 4th round

Mako has offered alternative web hosting, and I will as well. I have a message board on my home web server, and nothing to put on it. :)

By Redman, Relentless Leader of Scrubs (Redman) on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 10:42 pm:

Oh, and one other more secret tourney reports and stuff, I feel that took a good bit of the fun out of the beginning of the tourney.

By Arex (Arex) on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 11:50 am:

I'll play....but only if it does not take like 8 months to complete. ;)

By Stephen Menendian (Smmenen) on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 02:24 pm:

You know what. I think the best policy is just to keep the decklists secret. I know people like to scour over them - but in retrospect it will keep interest on the match reports higher becuase it willl be through those that archtypes are revealed. Then at the cut to top 8 reveal everything.


By Nevyn, the Village Idiot (Nevyn) on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 02:31 pm:

the problem with that is that reports could tend to be somewhat 'abridged' in the hopes of keeping certain cards and strategies hidden.

I think the TOC should be an 8 person tourney that players can grind into by winning a pre-scheduled mini (there would be eight of them) in bdchat.

This would allow for time zone differences except in the top 8, get things done quicker, and have fewer drops. Also, it would make the title more accurate.

Currently, we have the type one tournament of people who signed up :).

By Mako Satou, Rose among the thorns (Mako) on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 02:45 pm:

I agree with Nevyn that there should be qualifier tournaments for it. Similar to the I hate to use it as an example but the Grudge Match Qualifier tournaments at Neutral ground they hold a bunch of tournaments where the winner qualifiers to participate in the big tournament at the end of the qualifiers. Top 16 might be a little bit better if this option is used. This method would make it more like its name sake.

By wuaffiliate (Wu) on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 06:08 pm:

maybe people should only submit their Security Code. and just post name - email - Security Code.

By Stephen Menendian (Smmenen) on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 01:46 am:

Usually the TOC load is blown when the decklists are posted. I suggest that the decklists without sideboards are posted AFTER the first round becuase in a real tournament (t1) you have an idea what you are facing next anyway.

This will make the Reports the Center of attention and not make people wary of revealing strategy. Also - it should set a precedent that the reports are important.

Stephen Menendian

By Stephen Menendian (Smmenen) on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 01:59 am:

Qualifier rounds are unpracticable and uncessary. The TOC is a chance to pit alot of decks against each other - not to let a few decks weed a few others out and then battle it out.

Stephen Menendian

By Argeedoc (Argeedoc) on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 03:46 am:

why not grab the best of both worlds -- still a general ToC6 -- but winners of previously scheduled mini grinders get a Rd 1 bye.

i will personally guarantee 6 minis in Efnet #apprentice for any 2week period to be decided by CF/Redman, 3 per week.

Shameless plug for E-League :)

By Argeedoc (Argeedoc) on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 03:47 am:

on a somewhat related note: what about Wishes?

By Rakso, Patriarch & Rules Ayatollah (Rakso) on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 04:02 am:

Maybe we should just have alternate tournaments.

Like, have an all-Asian and all-European mini.

By Israel Casanova (Casanova) on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 09:45 am:

And, how do you sign up for a Tournament of Champions?

By Israel Casanova (Casanova) on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 09:46 am:

How do you report ToC games, too?

By Redman, Relentless Leader of Scrubs (Redman) on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 06:28 pm:

I think Agreedoc's idea is a pretty good one. As unmanageable as i may be, I do like the idea of having a large non-exclusive tournament to represent the larget Type 1 comuinity on the net. I don't know that dividing this up into a few minis would be the same.

Casanova: Sign up via email generally, and tourney reports were generally done through e-mail and this board.

By Israel Casanova (Casanova) on Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 04:44 pm:

Redman: Ah, k thanks. So when's this starting?

By Razor (Razor) on Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 06:23 pm:

I'm in regardless of the details.


By Nimrod (Nimrod) on Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 08:45 am:

Personally, I preffer a thousand times reading a report knowing that a determinate person of the community faced another, than reading about 2 decks piloted without any personality, and having to read things like "Then, in game 2 he played that card from his sideboard that I cannot tell, and did stuff and eventually got the game". I vote for having the decklists since the beggining, posted with the names/nicknames of the players.

What I have been thinking about is teams, but Im not sure about that thing...

If we do regional minis, for people like me, (I live in Mexico, so I would prolly play people from the US), the competition would be really really tough to advance, and in other sides of the globe (lets say, Asia), the things would be much easier, because of the lack of players.

What really, really needs to be controlled, is the massive dropping, in the last ToC, about 2/3 of the players dropped, if I recall correctly, we as a community had several problems (be it BD falling down every other minute, or the whole elitism issue), and we would have to set some things straight ASAP (read, now, if possible), like, the posting boards we are going to use if not this ones, who's going to run the ToC, etc, because we are living on lended time in this website, and personally, I dont like much the "refugee camp" thingy.

Also, Im hungry, and I would like to know what you think.

By Nimrod (Nimrod) on Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 08:50 am:

Also, be more strict with the reports, since its a pain having to be after the players to get the results, every player should report their results after each match, no matter the result, and failure to do so should resuld in disqualification (spelling??).

Also, we should try to find ways so more players can take part in this, specially the good players that for some reason couldnt take part in the past ToC, if its the tournament of champions of Beyond Dominia, it should show some quality in the deck, and, with the excuse of anyone who feels offended, the last t8 was a bit disappointing(sp??) to me.

By CF (Cf) on Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 09:33 am:

I don't think regionals is a good idea. The mini prized with a bye is neat though. I can run the ToC, as long as there's a way for me to be in it as well (complete decklists is an option, but I'd prefer secret sideboards AT LEAST for the first round).

I also dislike the refugee camp. I can probably set up a board at least for the ToC (and I can post pairings etc on the web, no problem). I do think email should be the primary source of information for the ToC though - I got alot of "huh, is there a new round? Oh, then I guess I'll drop" comments during the ToC5. With information through email, participants have no excuses.


By Nimrod (Nimrod) on Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 12:38 pm:

Well, that was mainly because BD was falling down for weeks, if we have stable boards that shouldnt be a problem, but someone could also set up a bulletin-like thingy.

By MattB (Mattb) on Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 02:01 pm:

I'd be interested in playing, but I'd need some kind of instruction on apprentice, as I've only ever played IRL.

Where does someone go for apprentice, whatever chat programs you guys use, etc?



By Redman, Relentless Leader of Scrubs (Redman) on Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 03:20 pm:

You can find apprentice and the appropriate patches at

Apprentice is fairly simple once you get the hang of it, and get past the horrendous shuffling.

Most people meet on to play on IRC, using a client program of your choice. They are easy to find, just go to or something. MIRC is one of the most popular I believe. The channel #BDChat is now on efnet, so that's the network you'll want to log on. If you have troubel, you can email me or post for assitance.

By Redman, Relentless Leader of Scrubs (Redman) on Monday, June 10, 2002 - 03:52 pm:

If you are intersted in playing in this tournement, please see my thread "E-mail contact archive."


By Mako Satou, Rose among the thorns (Mako) on Monday, June 10, 2002 - 05:09 pm:

I am interested in playing but if we have another tourney it should be run through email and AIM/ICQ contacts because I was unable to contact some of my opponents and received draws / loses because of it.

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